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TOPIC: Who are the champions????? |
| hardlinedrives
April 7, 2006
9:05:11 PM
Entry #: 1371697
| Wow. I don't mean to gripe, but it would be nice to know which games are meaningless and which game is the championship. Under the current set up the only way it seems you can guarantee a shirt is to win every game, since playoffs are so confusing in Victorville now. Single elim, double elim. playoffs, season standings only w/ no playoffs, anything would be better than these "no one can figure out what the heck is going on" rules we are apparently playing under.
I am very disappointed. Even under the current rules, how is it fair that the Young Bucks got to play the fourth place team three times as counted in upper division, while sonshine only played them twice? Especially when 1st place was a tie all season between young bucks and sonshine?
How can Coleman argue this is fair for the "winning team" to get an extra game that counts against the team with the worst record in the top division. Why the heck did we play that last game???? It was already meaningless. I don't know. This frustrating on many levels. If the situation was reversed it would certainly put a damper on winning the championship for me.
I have never heard of such a bizarre finish to a season in 10 years of playing softball. This is the kind of thing I might expect in Hesperia, or Apple Valley leagues, but come on! This is Victorville. We play here because we like how smoothly everything runs in Victorville. I'm sure Coleman didn't plan on it ending up so convoluted, but this is why Victorville always states exactly what determines 1st, 2nd, etc. in the schedules where everyone can see it. Besides, you shouldn't need post-graduate work to figure out who is winning a season, or playoffs.
Ok, I'm almost done. I hope it's done differently next season. We all know some unscrupulous teams out there who will sandbag under these voodo rules as soon as they can figure them out.
I would like to say that both games against the YOUNG BUCKS were awesome and my griping about the semi-quasi-pseudo-not so playoff-playoffs is no reflection on the Young Bucks whatsoever. It was always between Sonshine and Young Bucks, and head to head we tied winning by only 1 run each! Great job guys, you are all great competitiors, don't let this post season garbage mess with you because it has nothing to do with you. You have been great sports about the whole thing. Congratulations.
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| hardlinedrives
April 7, 2006
9:14:18 PM
Entry #: 1371705
| PS- notice how Sonshine only got to play Top Notch twice, and Young Bucks played them three times. In single elimination PLAYOFFS, or standings only it normally wouldn't matter, but since all those other games no longer matter, Young Bucks have an advantage due to playing Top Notch three times. These seems self evident to me. Stick to your rules, but be big enough to admit they goofed it all up. When there is this much "controversy" it obviously needs to be more straight forward. It is everywhere else but Victorville, and in Victorville this is a recent development.............
Young Bucks def. SAB 20-19
SAB def Top Notch 40-13
Top Notch def SAB 22-19
SAB def. Young Bucks 20-19
Young Bucks def Top Notch 20-19
Young Bucks def Top Notch 31-14
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| rancid crabtree
April 7, 2006
9:37:27 PM
Entry #: 1371729
| I shore do see how ya'll could be frusterated! Wa'll, ya'll should jist go fishing instead and quit frittering all your time away on softball.
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| rodger maris
April 7, 2006
9:39:08 PM
Entry #: 1371733
| You know, this kind of reminds me of all that 61* business. Good luck guys.
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| hellokitty
April 7, 2006
9:41:12 PM
Entry #: 1371735
| That "sandbagging" was already going on in lower division co-ed on sundays! How about some clarity and consistency!
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| hardlinedrives
April 7, 2006
9:52:31 PM
Entry #: 1371745
| I just don't believe it. I'm glad Fly Right never lost on Sundays. That does mean we won, right? There was that tie at the end, though, does that change anything? Good thing we didn't lose ANY, we better practice more though, because you just never know anymore, do you?
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| hardlinedrives
April 7, 2006
10:04:39 PM
Entry #: 1371758
| I know, I know. I can see that I miscounted, amusing, but it doesn't make it right. That just proves my point that you have to keep it simple for us softball players. We need to know how far the fences are you know? Keep it simple so we can play hard and not have to pull out an algebra book to figure out who is leading the league, you know? I hope something different is done for "post-season" in spring. How about if the teams that are getting worked in upper division move down, and the teams that are dominating in lower division move up? They could take their record with them. Or how about no playoffs? Or single elimination? Or Hesperia? Big League Dreams? As it is, do the best of the worst get T-shirts? Inquiring minds want to know.....
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| hardlinedrives
April 7, 2006
10:04:39 PM
Entry #: 1371759
| I know, I know. I can see that I miscounted, amusing, but it doesn't make it right. That just proves my point that you have to keep it simple for us softball players. We need to know how far the fences are you know? Keep it simple so we can play hard and not have to pull out an algebra book to figure out who is leading the league, you know? I hope something different is done for "post-season" in spring. How about if the teams that are getting worked in upper division move down, and the teams that are dominating in lower division move up? They could take their record with them. Or how about no playoffs? Or single elimination? Or Hesperia? Big League Dreams? As it is, do the best of the worst get T-shirts? Inquiring minds want to know.....
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| RecStaff
April 8, 2006
11:20:54 AM
Entry #: 1372275
| Three way tie breakers are like this.
Do a internet search and see the rules about three way tie breakers. All of them are difficult to understand.
When we have three teams tied, we take the records of the three teams against each other as the tie breaker. I'd much rather use this method than using just runs for and against that you'd like to see us use. That method makes teams pound everyone.
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| RecStaff
April 8, 2006
12:11:20 PM
Entry #: 1372341
| Oh and just to make sure that people understand when you said that you miscounted. All the teams in the tie breaker did play the exact same teams the same amount of times.
I listed the two Young Bucks Top Notch games together at the end and that made it look like they played twice at the end of the season, but they didn't.
The 8 team league is a new format that many were not used to, and even at the manager's meeting there were not questions probably because people hadn't experienced it before. However,I think that you will agree that those last three games against common opponents were a blast!
Consider the amount of Wild Card Champions that have won the World Series in baseball since 2002.
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| hardlinedrives
April 8, 2006
3:01:41 PM
Entry #: 1372545
| Sure, the last games were great, but why not adjust teams early in the season so you can spend most of your time playing against your competition. I also still contend, that as soon as some of these teams up here figure it out (not any I play on, but we've all seen these teams) they will exploit it and shoot for lower division championship instead. The three way tie was in effect before the final game anyway, so why not have it be single elim. in playoffs after the split. It never was to clear about the split anyway.
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| hardlinedrives
April 8, 2006
3:03:06 PM
Entry #: 1372548
| If the run differential means nothing, why post it?
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| hardlinedrives
April 9, 2006
9:55:33 PM
Entry #: 1374276
| STANDINGS AND TROPHIES
A. In the event of a tie, standings will be determined using the win/loss percentage method. All ties within the
win/loss method will be decided by head-to-head competition (against each other) followed by runs against
(RA) during head-to-head to determine final standings, then (RA) in the entire league.
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| hardlinedrives
April 9, 2006
9:57:24 PM
Entry #: 1374279
| Team Won Lost Tied Pct. PF PA
3. Sonshin 8 2 0 .800 248 155
5. Young 8 2 0 .800 235 158
4. Top No 6 4 0 .600 197 181
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| RecStaff
April 10, 2006
8:30:40 AM
Entry #: 1374886
| At the manager's meeting it was made clear that the we would divide the division into middle and lower divisions after the first round and the last three games against teams in your division would count for the final standings. We will not change the rules that were set before the season began. Everyone played under these same rules.
About Sandbagging...
Also, you might remember that we changed the awards, so that a lower division championship would not get as much as a middle or upper championship and an Upper Championship would get better prizes than a Middle Champion.
Also, with the Power Ranking now in effect, you might be able to sandbag once, but it will catch up to you.
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