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TOPIC: Time Limits |
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| Stearns
May 8, 2007
12:02:26 AM
Entry #: 2125281
| I thought that there were going to be time limits for both double headers. The late games tonight got over @ 1120PM. I know that I read somewhere that games would be over by 1030P or as close to 1030P as poss. Just checking........Thanks. Also, the first 2 games did not get over until at least 9P or maybe a little after. One message on the message board stated that games could end in a tie.....does this still stand?
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| DReid
May 8, 2007
12:15:55 AM
Entry #: 2125298
| There is a time limit on the first double header only. When 8:45 comes, the current inning will be finished and that will be it. The game CAN end in a tie if it's tied at the end of that inning.
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| Solson
May 8, 2007
8:22:48 AM
Entry #: 2125587
| The first set of double headers DID end due to the time limit last night. Once 8:45 hit, we finished that inning of our 2cd game, and that was it. I think it was the 5th inning. I think the time limit worked well.
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| JAdams
May 8, 2007
8:30:08 AM
Entry #: 2125598
| Sam, I disagree. I spoke to Tyson at 9:20 pm and the second game of the first doubleheader was just ending. The first game of the second doubleheader started at 9:30 pm.
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| Solson
May 8, 2007
8:48:56 AM
Entry #: 2125622
| That is true John...the game ended at that time, but, at 8:45, everyone knew that the current inning was to be the last inning. That is what the rule is. Finish whatever inning you are in, and that is the ballgame...and that is exactly what happened.
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| Stearns
May 8, 2007
9:05:07 AM
Entry #: 2125648
| The below comment was sent to us along with the rules for the games this Summer.
"They want us out of there no later than 10:30 mainly because most of us have to work the next day but also because of the electric costs."
JAdams stated this was discussed at the meetings. I do not think that last night's time limits went any better compared to the games from last year. We ended around the same times....I think that the new inning from the first games started pretty close to 845 if not at 845P. The game should of ended at a tie. This needs to be looked into re better time limits for the 2nd set of double header games in my opinion. I am not one who will just pick up and leave my team.....I feel that is not fair to the others who are ready to go home too.
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| LThomas
May 8, 2007
9:09:21 AM
Entry #: 2125661
| I was there early also ( to support your team) ...the timeframe is incorrect because you "started" the inning right at 8:45p. You have team mates that even agree to that. That is why it took so long for your game to end and ours to begin. It boils down to everyone was under the impression that late games weren't going to run into REALLY late games. It has nothing to do with your playing -it is something the officials need to agree on and hold to the rules.
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| DReid
May 8, 2007
9:48:46 AM
Entry #: 2125739
| Guys, this is a new rule and chances are that the umpires just forgot about it. I know they definately don't want to stay out there later than they have to I'll talk to Tyson and see what he says happened.
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| Solson
May 8, 2007
10:00:49 AM
Entry #: 2125770
| I really apologize that you guys were out so late...but I looked at my cell phone, which has standard time on it...and it said that it was 8:43 as I was running onto the field. That would mean we had two minutes before the time limit would come into effect, and the umpires saw it that way too. Once again, I'm sorry that you guys were left waiting. I know that it can be frustrating, but I think this new system will work, and I truly do believe that even though a game CAN end in a tie, if you are playing in that game...you wouldn't want it to end that way. I do appreciate all of your support for coming out early though Lesia. It is good to have friends like you guys.
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| Stearns
May 8, 2007
10:11:29 AM
Entry #: 2125796
| Well if it was 843, then that should have been it......a new inning should not have started that close to the time.......and YES I would have been ok with the tie along with 1 or 2 other people on your team who felt the same way.
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| Tyson
May 8, 2007
5:31:58 PM
Entry #: 2126937
| Beleive me guys no one wanted to get out of there more than I did but the last inning of the 2nd game started at 8:40 according to my phone. I could have stopped it there but the team that was losing would have been upset, plus technially it wasnt 8:45 yet...
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May 8, 2007
6:09:41 PM
Entry #: 2127014
| I think the time limits would work better if game times were 6pm start and no later than 6:15 instead of the current 6:30 late start. This league about 5 years ago used to start at 6pm.
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| DReid
May 8, 2007
6:32:51 PM
Entry #: 2127049
| I think the reason for the 6:15 game time is because a lot of people work until 6 (Marion Ford employees for example).
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| LThomas
May 8, 2007
8:06:08 PM
Entry #: 2127200
| If an 8:15p game still can't get started until 9:30p because you can still technically start an inning at 8:44p then this rule doesnt help anyone. These two teams were tied at that point. I am not trying keep this thread going I just want to state that rule doesnt help and makes it no different than last year. If we could concentrate on making sure the game is done at a certain time with the correct team having last at bat- wouldn't that be fair?
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| Stearns
May 8, 2007
8:14:58 PM
Entry #: 2127217
| I agree with the above statement. Or maybe there needs to be a time limit on ALL games. Let's not forget, this is to be for fun.....it's not like the winner gets a trophy or money. Of course everyone wants to win, BUT IT IS FOR FUN!!!
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| DReid
May 8, 2007
11:50:55 PM
Entry #: 2127650
| The only way to really "make sure" that the games are over at a certain time is to play until that time and then ERASE everything after the last full inning of play.
Here's the thing. What if we say "Well, I meant 8:45 approx. So since the inning was gonna start at 8:40 we will just call it a game" Then what's the cutoff point? I think this was just one of those fluke things where the inning started a couple minutes before the cutoff time and ended up being a half hour inning.
the only other thing I could think of is to move it to 8:30 and say no innings will start after 8:30.
I still don't understand how 2 games last 3 hours. I've played in games where both teams scored over 30 runs both games and it still didn't take us 2.5 hours to play.
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| Solson
May 9, 2007
11:09:14 AM
Entry #: 2128387
| Dan, I think you are right and it was just a fluke that it was a long last inning. That being said, I would be against moving the cutoff time up to 8:30 for risk of the integrity of the games. I love to play softball, and would play til 2am if we had to. I dont mean any offense to anyone. Just putting in my final 2 cents worth.
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| Stearns
May 9, 2007
11:41:37 AM
Entry #: 2128486
| Well here are my final 2 cents worth. I have a family at home and I am doing this for myself because I deserve it. I too love to play softball and changing the time would help out with myself and I am sure many others if you ask for their input. I have talked to others today and we came up with the idea of playing until the actual next scheduled game (ex. if we start at 615P)once it hits 715P, then whomever needs to have the lasts bats gets it and then call the game and start with the next game and so on and so on with the other times. It would more than likely keep things going a little bit more smoother in my opinion.
If I had no family to care for and just had to worry about myself and not have to work, then I too would play until whenever. Over half of our games are late games for Blue VAEA and I would like to get home at a better time than what I did Monday night. This was not a fluke thing, because this happened at a lot of our games last summer. Please consider the time changes Dan......and now I am off of my soap box. Thanks
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| Rusty
May 9, 2007
3:05:47 PM
Entry #: 2129034
| I think the time limits are good where their at. I would agree with not letting games start past 6:15. If those teams have a lot of guys work till 6:00 than give them all late games. I still wonder if everyone would hussle on and of the field and not spend 10 minutes digging in to bat, if that would'nt speed things up. Just about every game I've ever played in, the umpire is constantly having to yell that he needs a batter. Also having balls ready to go after homeruns. I know our team is just as bad about this as everyone elses. Personally I'm not for a time limit at all, and I have a family and job. But if their has to be one, than lets give this one a chance to work. And not shoot it down on the first night.
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| DReid
May 9, 2007
5:19:39 PM
Entry #: 2129444
| All good points. We'll see how things go and if there needs to be a change from the new rule.
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| Pitcher22
May 9, 2007
9:37:33 PM
Entry #: 2130028
| Dan if we dont want a time limit lets go to a 2-2 count that will speed the game up or go to just a 1 hour yes i said 1 hour time limit on the games......but Rusty does bring up a good point get your ass on and off the field and be ready to play know who is going to bat and so on......quit horseass n around and killing time....just my point....keep up the good work
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| JAdams
May 9, 2007
11:05:08 PM
Entry #: 2130171
| I thought that I would never say this but maybe a 2-2 count is the way to go. The games in the spring draft league went quick because of the 2-2 count. I don't think that I was ever home past 10pm this spring. The 2-2 count puts the batter in the mindset of swinging instead of looking for a walk. In the Co-ed B league, some players work the count so that they can take a walk and as you all know this drags out the game. I would rather see a team win by hitting the ball instead of winning via taking walks.
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| LThomas
May 10, 2007
9:21:51 AM
Entry #: 2130751
| Are there any games that actually get finished within the one hour scheduled time? Seems like this would be an area to look at. Are Saturdays off limits as far as scheduling games?
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| DReid
May 10, 2007
10:19:13 AM
Entry #: 2130928
| Yeah. plenty of them do.
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| rodan
May 10, 2007
11:31:51 AM
Entry #: 2131144
| Looks like these coed games will last as long now as they do in Murphysboro....Got out of Murphy last yr one nite around 1245!!! The mat wont help either...will make it longer as all know.
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| bobby
May 10, 2007
11:34:30 AM
Entry #: 2131155
| I actually got my games done last week around 1030! That is cool but dont look for any games to last any earlier unless there is a forfeit the last 2 games. Either way, its fun being out there with all the ballplayers finally this yr. Good luck to all teams!
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| burd
May 10, 2007
1:48:55 PM
Entry #: 2131538
| i think a 2-2 count wouldn't be a good idea. i think we should at least be able to take a strike when we bat. a 2-1 count wouldn't be a bad idea though.
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| Pitcher22
May 10, 2007
9:58:04 PM
Entry #: 2132756
| Burd what the F$%* are you talking about you could play with a 3 2 count you swing at the first pitch you see anyway.....LOL
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| ohney
May 10, 2007
10:46:48 PM
Entry #: 2132837
| We need to stick with the ASA rules. Thats what we signed up for. Late games suck for everybody. Last night we had 2 barn burners and it wouldn't have been fair to either team to have it stopped by a time limit. (we were close) I get up at 5:30 everyday and it sucks when you have the late games but it would suck worse if we lost a game because it got to late. Long games are part of softball and we are penalizing teams that are battling each other. Starting with 2 strikes is not the answer. We dont want a 1 pitch league. Get rid of the warm up pitches between innings, throwing it around the horn, and hustle between innings and we would be alright. Just my 2 cents
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| rodan
May 11, 2007
7:52:21 AM
Entry #: 2133232
| A good way to end the long games would be to make each game a one hour 10 min time limit with no new inning starting after that.. Would speed up the nite some. Carb uses it and it works great!!
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| rodan
May 11, 2007
7:52:23 AM
Entry #: 2133233
| A good way to end the long games would be to make each game a one hour 10 min time limit with no new inning starting after that.. Would speed up the nite some. Carb uses it and it works great!!
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| DReid
May 11, 2007
10:00:25 AM
Entry #: 2133529
| You can say that again.
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| Stearns
May 11, 2007
10:11:32 AM
Entry #: 2133546
| Good one Dan............well assuming you were trying to be funny. His idea was a good one too....
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| ohney
May 11, 2007
3:08:36 PM
Entry #: 2134320
| C-dale has a time limit they dont enforce. I play there too and we never have been stopped by a time limit. It is a bad idea. Slow pitch softball is a 7 inning game. If 11:00 is too late then take up Bingo
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| Stearns
May 11, 2007
3:18:25 PM
Entry #: 2134344
| Well this isn't Cdale.........I like bingo and all, but I get more exercise with softball. It can't hurt to try the 1 hr and 10 min rule.........plus, 7 innings in 1 hr just isn't happening.
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| ohney
May 11, 2007
3:26:30 PM
Entry #: 2134368
| Thus no time limit. 7 innings. Start games earlier. Entry fee is too much not to play the 7 innings. I cant believe this is such a big deal. Everyone works. Deal with it
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| rodan
May 11, 2007
3:37:26 PM
Entry #: 2134392
| It was just an idea...No biggie...by the way bingo games last after 11 also..most nites. Some people do get up at 330 like myself...but im not worried about the time...
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| Stearns
May 11, 2007
3:40:02 PM
Entry #: 2134407
| According to Rodan above, Cdale does use it (unless "Carb" does not mean Carbondale). Obviously I am not the only one who has these same feelings.........I love the sport and want to play, but there is no reason why the games should go on for so long. Either play one long game or stick to the times as close as we possibly can.
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| Lthomas
May 11, 2007
3:45:13 PM
Entry #: 2134422
| THere is no need to be rude about it. I thought we were having a discussion. I guess we just shouldnt have a scheduled game time if we're not going to have a time limit. I understand wanting to play the full game -trust me but not knowing what time your going to be home or prepare for work the next day sucks. If it was a Friday night- NO PROBLEM
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| Solson
May 11, 2007
3:56:14 PM
Entry #: 2134441
| Ohney is right and does make a good point...shaving innings off the end of games does end up costing you the money that we have all initially paid in, which is the reason why we work in the first place. Now unless I hit at Bingo, (is there a league for this-cause I'm in), than that means money which was paid for softball gets paid for the drive home.
I think many are missing the point here that this league is for fun and strictly voluntary...no-one is mandated to stay past ten or eleven o'clock. If your tired and feel you have to go home, then there is no shame in that...but I would be very disapointed if we shortened the game, that I signed up and paid to play every inning of, knowing from last year how late it can sometimes get.
Once again, I mean no disrespect to anyone...I consider most of you guys my friends and do not mean to hurt anyone's feelings over a difference of opinion.
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| Stearns
May 11, 2007
4:03:10 PM
Entry #: 2134456
| But if you leave in the middle of a game, then that is an automatic out for your team when it comes time to bat if you do not have enough people to cont to play. Not very fair to the team........and I am not going to be that person who does that as I am sure that no one else wants to be that person either. I agree with one of the above comments, why have times if we aren't going to go by them.......
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| DReid
May 11, 2007
5:30:19 PM
Entry #: 2134660
| Because we have times for everything in life. They are guidelines. Times for shows on TV to start, times for doctors appointments, etc.. But there are plenty of times when those things don't happen on time for various reasons.
There has NEVER been a time limit as far as I know in any Marion league. I would say that 90% of the people like it like that. But to help keep somewhat of a handle on things, we put the limit on the first doubleheader. I think it will help except for the rare time where the last inning starts close to 8:45 and that inning take forever.
We'll keep things like they are and see how things go for now.
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| Pitcher22
May 11, 2007
10:01:44 PM
Entry #: 2135096
| Dam if everybody would get the lead out of there asses and get on and off the field and be ready to bat when it is time for you to bat then this whole time limit is a mute point !!!!!!! i get off the feild in no time.....but then again i dont have far to go....LOL
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| Lindsey
May 11, 2007
11:19:45 PM
Entry #: 2135178
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Time limits hurt the game! I'm for playing all 7 innings.
I'm not sure of the rules now, however it used to be if a player got hurt or had to leave to go to work his spot in the lineup was not an out, just hard to play defense with 8 or 9 players.
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| Lindsey
May 11, 2007
11:22:57 PM
Entry #: 2135185
| and Lester for your info I only have 1 speed and it ain't very fast! Or if it sounds better I have to pace myself.....lol
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