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TOPIC: USSSA SOFTBALL IN COVENTRY |
| ARTIEKARATE
June 19, 2007
12:28:53 PM
Entry #: 2213592
| Just wanted to see what people thought about switching from ASA to USSSA next year ? I have been in contact with the USSSA commish about the switch , i have to get more details about insurance and some other things . CSPL would save around $1200 dollars if we swithed to USSSA . That savings is for umpires , balls , registration fees . We would still govern ourselves and have all the same league rules like the over the middle and all the bylaws . It would basicly be a change of umpires and a little differences in the rules . Those in the league who have played USSSSA speak up and tell us what you think . I am going to work on the details and maybe get the state commish to make a presentation at one of the next meetings .
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| EW33
June 19, 2007
4:13:03 PM
Entry #: 2214266
| Sounds good to me. I would rather have a Utrip pitch comin at me than one of those rob raymond specials (20' arc) But doesnt this force the old turd into retirement since he needs that high arc to get his ass back where he needs to be to defend himself?
PS someone from his team pass along my ball busting since the dinosaur probably doesnt have a computer.
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| mike mansour
June 19, 2007
9:31:25 PM
Entry #: 2215299
| Love the idea artie. Utrip is definately the way to go more competition. Any of the young teams that want to get serious and play some real competitive ball need to play Utrip. Thats were you'll see all the best teams in the state show up. Utrip tourney's. I play Asa @ Atwood (weeknights) which is the best competition around for as far as an Asa league goes. And all i can say is the competition is moderate to poor at best. There is 2 teams there that play over fifty. Asa is becoming a weak sanction.
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| Ryno
June 20, 2007
7:42:10 AM
Entry #: 2215849
| I hate this idea for several reasons even though I personally like playing utrip.
1. Not enough decent utrip pitchers around.
2. This is a Sunday morning rec league. You want utrip there are plenty of leagues and tournaments to play on other nights.
3. Utrip has MANY different rules.
4. The pitchers are far less protected. Even though Ernie was making fun of Rob it's still true. Much less chance to get out of the way. There are some players in this league that would get killed on the mound.
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| ARTIEKARATE
June 20, 2007
10:03:12 AM
Entry #: 2216136
| To tell you the truth utrip has a new rule that the pitcher can pitch from 6 feet behind the mound , so the guys who cant get back are better off . The only difference in the rules would be the piching arc . Since the change to six feet behind the mound the pitcher must present the ball before he pitches just like NSA and ASA . So the only difference is the arc and the fakes but you now have to present the ball after you fake a pitch .USSSA is a hitters game absolutly perfect for baseball players , but they have helped protect the pitcher more than ASA and NSA with there rule changes .
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| ARTIEKARATE
June 20, 2007
11:27:03 AM
Entry #: 2216367
| ryno, rob was open to the idea , he liked the usssa stle of pitching . Like i said the only difference would be the arc which is 3 ft from point of release no higher than 10 ft .
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| Lags
June 20, 2007
11:48:12 AM
Entry #: 2216436
| UTRIP is awesome. Blows ASA out of the water.
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| Mac
June 20, 2007
1:08:24 PM
Entry #: 2216673
| Lags Whatd U Vote 50 Times For The harris To Win It All? Or U Voted 10 Times And Nate to The Touch Voted 40 Hahah What Happened This Am Thought We Were Hitting ?
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| Mac
June 20, 2007
1:14:04 PM
Entry #: 2216688
| If I Had To Pick A Favorite Stlye It Would Def Be Utrip I Think Its Gonna B More Up To The Pitchers. If they Are Down For Utrip I Think Everyone Would Be... I Know There Are Certain Rules Here And there That Are Different. But Saving The League Money, And Having Consistency With the Umpiring Would Def Not Be A Bad thing.
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| Brian Stevens
June 20, 2007
1:34:54 PM
Entry #: 2216739
| I can't hit the shit the pitchers are throwing me now so I would welcome something different.
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| Smitty
June 20, 2007
7:49:11 PM
Entry #: 2217787
| RULE 6. PITCHING RULE
Sec. 1. AT NO TIME during the progress of the Game shall the Pitcher be allowed
to use tape or any other substance, including a glove, upon the pitching hand or fingers;
nor shall any foreign substance be applied to the ball, provided that, under supervision
and control of the Umpire, a bag containing powdered resin may be used to dry the
hands.
Sec. 2. AT THE BEGINNING of an inning or when a Pitcher relieves another
Pitcher, one minute may be used to deliver not more than THREE PRACTICE PITCHES
to the Catcher or some other Teammate.
Sec. 3. LEGAL POSITIONS OF THE PITCHER’S FEET.
A. The pitcher may pitch from the Pitching Plate or from the Pitching Area,
an area the width of the Plate and up to six (6) feet behind the Pitcher’s Plate.
B. Preliminary to Pitching, the Pitcher shall take a position with his/her
pivot foot firmly on the ground and in contact with the Pitching Plate or
Pitching Area. The pivot foot must be in contact with the Pitcher’s Plate or
Pitching Area when the pitched ball is released.
C. The other foot (free foot) has no restriction on position and may be
placed on, in front of, to the rear of, or to the side of the Pitcher’s Plate or
Pitching Area After taking the initial position, the Pitcher may take more than
one step with the free foot, in any direction of his choice, provided that it is
taken prior to, simultaneously with or during the actions of delivering the
pitched ball.
D. After the release of the Pitch, there are no restrictions on Pitcher’s subsequent
movements, or the fielding positions he may assume as a Defensive
Player.
Sec. 4. PITCHER’S LEGAL MOTIONS ALLOWED IN ACTUAL DELIVERY
OF THE PITCH.
A. After assuming the pitching position on the Pitcher’s Plate or in the
Pitching Area, the Pitcher must present the ball in FRONT OF HIS BODY
(for at least one second) in either one or both hands before starting the delivery
motions. Note: All Pitching rules that apply to the Pitcher’s actions before
and during the release of the pitch along with the restrictions on height, speed,
etc, shall remain the same.
B. The Pitcher may hold or grip the ball in any manner before delivery.
C. Only a definite underhand motion is permitted in the delivery of the
Pitch.
D. The Pitcher may release the pitched ball in any manner when delivering
the Pitch. This includes any and all types of delivery.
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EFFECT Sec. A-D. After the Pitcher presents the ball, he may make any windup or arm
motions desired, either in front of his body, above his head or behind his back, including
stops and pauses in these motions.
E. Once the Pitcher begins his delivery motions; the umpire shall not give a
call or signal for “Time” unless something unusual occurs.
F. The pitched ball must be released within 5 seconds from the time the
Pitcher has the ball and the batter has taken his position in the Batter’s Box.
From this point, the Umpire shall not give a call or signal for “Time” unless
something unusual occurs.
G. Pitcher must face Home Plate on delivery of pitch.
(NOTE Sec. 4. A-E. Realizing that the Pitcher does not fool very many batters to the
extent that they can not hit the ball, it is desired that Pitchers not be handicapped by
technicalities, when they do develop a new technique or delivery that, perhaps, will add
to the pleasure and appeal to the spectators, as long as the Pitcher adheres to the basic
Pitching Rules.)
Sec. 5. TYPE OF PITCH PERMITTED.
A. The ball must be Pitched underhanded at Slow Speed.
B. The Pitched Ball must arc at least 3 feet after leaving the Pitcher’s hand
and before it passes any part of Home Plate.
C. The Pitched Ball shall not rise higher than 10 feet above the ground.
EFFECT Sec. 5. A-C. The speed of the Pitch and height of the pitched ball are left
entirely to the judgment of the Umpire (NOTE: For sake of uniformity in decisions, any
doubtful Pitch should be ruled as an unfairly delivered pitch). The Umpire shall warn a
Pitcher who delivers a Pitch with EXCESSIVE SPEED that repeating such EXCESSIVE
SPEED PITCH will cause the Pitcher’s removal from the Pitcher’s position for
the remainder of the Game. A Pitch that does not arc the full 3 feet as required (flat
level pitch) may not be an EXCESSIVE SPEED PITCH, but merely an Unfairly delivered
Pitch.
Sec. 6. THE CATCHER MUST:
A. Be in and remain in the lines of the Catcher’s Box when the Pitcher is in
position and remain until a pitched ball has reached or passed home plate, or
is batted.
EFFECT Sec. 6.
A. An unfairly delivered pitch.
B. Immediately return each pitch not hit directly to the Pitcher.
EFFECT Sec. 6. B. Ball shall be awarded to the batter.
Sec. 7. NO PITCH shall be declared immediately when:
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A. The Pitcher pitches during a dead ball interval.
B. A base runner is called out for leaving a base too soon.
Sec. 8. A FAIRLY DELIVERED PITCHED BALL includes all pitches that the
Pitcher delivers in accordance with the several preceding paragraphs and provisions of
the Pitching Rule.
Sec. 9. UNFAIRLY DELIVERED PITCHED BALLS INCLUDE:
A. Any Pitched ball that does not conform to all requirements of a Fairly
Delivered Pitched Ball.
B. All pitches made by the Pitcher when not conforming to pitching restrictions.
C. Delivering a Pitch from other than the Pitcher’s Plate or Pitching Area
and Pitcher’s Position.
D. A quick-return Pitch.
E. The Pitcher failing to face Home Plate on delivery of the pitch.
EFFECT Sec. 9. A-E. In each case, an unfairly delivered ball shall be declared a ball by
the Umpire provided, however, that if the batter strikes at any unfairly delivered Pitch, it
shall be declared a Strike with no penalty for the unfairly delivered Pitch. The ball
remains in play if batted by the batter.
(NOTE Sec. 9. A-E. These unfairly delivered pitches may not be so declared until the
pitched ball reaches or crosses the plate.)
Sec. 10. ILLEGAL PITCHER’S ACTIONS INCLUDE:
A. Holding the ball by the Pitcher longer than 5 seconds.
B. Throwing the ball by the Pitcher to any fielder, unless making preliminary
warm-up Pitches or making an effort to complete an appeal play, or
while the ball is dead.
EFFECT: Sec. 10. A-B. The Umpire should immediately indicate “DEAD BALL” and
award a ball to the Batter.
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| Ryno
June 21, 2007
8:54:48 AM
Entry #: 2218769
| I had no idea they changed the pitching rules. I still oppose the idea though because I am stubborn.
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| ARTIEKARATE
June 21, 2007
9:20:09 AM
Entry #: 2218820
| YOU MEAN OLD AND GAY , OH I MEAN GREY .BUT THE PITCHER CAN DO THERE FAKES BUT THE HAVE TO PAUSE BEFORE THEY PITCH THE BALL .
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| Uncle Mertog
June 21, 2007
4:56:00 PM
Entry #: 2220077
| I don't really know much about U-Trip to be honest with you other than all the bullshit fakes and stupid shit pitchers do in USSA.
So I guess my question to you guys who are far more knowledgable than I on the subject is in regards to the bats? Are bats such as the Ultra II and all the others on the illegal list now available to us? In addition if they are, does this change the homerun limit etc?
Just about anyone, including myself can hit homeruns with these types of bats...and one of the major arguments that I have heard about the Decline of softball in Rhode Island itself is that too many guys hit homeruns with these type of bats and have a hard time keeping the ball in the park, thus when they enter tournaments they don't do so well with a 3 run homer or no home run rule in national tourneys. At least this is what I have heard from many guys who used to play in the now defunct B's. They claim that one of the reason the A's B's and C's dissapeared in RI softball was at least in part to this theory that I have just pointed out. Like I said I have no idea, I have never played in USSSA, but if you guys think it is a good idea...than I am in.
If it saves the league money, and is a better quality of play, and everyone who has some experience with USSSA is in, then I'm all for it.
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| Smitty
June 21, 2007
6:52:27 PM
Entry #: 2220329
| the utrip website does not have a "illegal bat" list. instead they decided to list ALL of the approved bats. that can be found here...
http://www.usssa.com/usssa/usssa-general/LegalBats.asp
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| pissrockets
June 22, 2007
7:27:32 PM
Entry #: 2222355
| I don't have to vote forty times, Mac Harris is just that nasty where everyone votes for us. And Artie even though your gay USSSA is still much better than ASA and we should switch.
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| Littleguy
June 23, 2007
11:22:02 AM
Entry #: 2222961
| Personally I disagree with going to Utrip. I have a family and therefore do not have the time as some of you do to play on 3 different teams 10 nights a week. I play only on Sunday mornings with my friends. I am there to be competitive but to also have fun playing. My question to all of you is this... what exactly is wrong with this league?? Nothing. I came from Burrilville and I dragged some of my other teammates to this Coventry league because I thought it is run very well and I have never been in a league that keeps a website and so forth. This is by far the best league I have ever played in and after playing last year for my first time in Coventry and looking at this years teams. There are a lot of competitive teams in this league and that makes it very exciting because not 1 or 2 teams can easily run away with it every year. Anybody can win on any given week. That is what I love about it. As far as bad umpiring??? Well This isnt the major leagues and human error is a part of the game. Even MLB umpires blow calls. Why change this league if it is already competitive. If you want to play Utrip then go find one! The ones that do want it I can already tell play on other teams in other leagues and probably play 10 times a week. Your probably single too haha trust me that is not a knock I am jealous! I come here because of the guys on my team and other teams, well I could do away with some, and to play and have some fun and be competitive. If it does go to Utrip I most likely will be gone. Sorry just stating my opinion.
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| Shamrock
June 23, 2007
9:41:30 PM
Entry #: 2223446
| I agree. At the end of the day, our Sunday morning league is just for shits and giggles. Why make it anything more? The league did away with team trophies and the banquet as a way to save money, and we're not even in debt, so changing the format won't help the financial issues of the league. Maybe it's just another one of artiekarate's fantasies? However...FREE HOT DOGS AND 2 FREE PITCHERS OF BEER FOR EACH TEAM THAT SHOWS UP TO SUNSET!!
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| EW33
June 25, 2007
6:26:02 AM
Entry #: 2225066
| Sorry the last two posts just don't make any sense to me.
"I have a family and therefore do not have the time as some of you do to play on 3 different teams 10 nights a week." - Um.... what the hell does this have to do with which sanction is best for the league.
"I thought it is run very well and I have never been in a league that keeps a website and so forth." - If it is run well now how does that change by switching to better umpires, keeping our existing bylaws, reducing the cost for insurance, and a rule set that arguably better protects the pitcher by giving them more distance to stand back and pitch from?
"There are a lot of competitive teams in this league and that makes it very exciting because not 1 or 2 teams can easily run away with it every year. Anybody can win on any given week. That is what I love about it." - How does this change if everyone stays in the league? Not one team rep has got on here and said they wouldnt play in it and quite honestly everyone I have spoken with has said the complete opposite and is all for it.
"I come here because of the guys on my team and other teams, well I could do away with some, and to play and have some fun and be competitive. If it does go to Utrip I most likely will be gone." - If you come here for just the guys on your team then how does a rule set change everything for you as long as they all return? My guess is you dont understand anything about USSSA and just think that "ringers" play in the USSSA tournaments. This is quite far from the truth. USSSA is simply a rule set.
"Sorry just stating my opinion." - Never apologize for that! Thats what the smack section is for. I just wish you had more basis to your arguement than not liking something with which it seems you either have no understanding of, or you understand it and have good reasons but decided not to post them 1 by 1.
And btw, put your name up on here unless that is your nickname and most know it, EW33 is Ernie Wright since I obviously have no idea who littleguy is LOL :)
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| EW33
June 25, 2007
6:32:53 AM
Entry #: 2225072
| oh and by the way ryno, i know that our whole league doesnt do the fakes and shit but aside from that what is all that different about the pitching? I am asking that in all seriousness, because in my opinion most of the pitchers in our league keep it between that height requirement anyways. So I dont see the height as an issue. I am just looking for some clarification on that, because I dont see much else to it other than throwing it within that arc and flailing your arms around like a retard which is the only part of USSSA I dont like. Some of the pitchers get a little carried away with the showmanship of the pitching position. I would love to see rob raymond or Todd dancing around on the mound trying to fool us before the pitch comes.
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| Ryno
June 25, 2007
7:16:19 AM
Entry #: 2225084
| I would say it is kore the 3'-10' arc. I have been in enough utrip tournaments with a NSA pitcher, such as Dean, that has trouble getting the arc down. Pitching 6'-12' for 100 years it's not easy to change. I am sure with enough practice it can be done but my thoughts are more focused on the guys that can't throw strikes. Now you have to ask them to learn how to do it with a lower arc from 6 feet further away.
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| Guapo
June 25, 2007
12:14:28 PM
Entry #: 2225608
| Ryno, while I do like to throw a few high balls early on to see what the umpires will give that day, I can get it down. It's only two feet afterall and Clegg has a 10 foot limit this year as well. I just found that out a couple of weeks ago from George Moyle after I bitched at him for calling a few illegals on me. Certainly, an umpire with a liberal enforcement of the pitch height is a pitchers best friend, but that 6 feet you are allowed to move back behind the rubber in USSSA is probably almost an equalizer. By all means I would take full advantage of moving back the maximum distance.
I think the one difference no one has mentioned that will change the game the most is the balls. USSSA balls are much harder than ASA balls so I would presume HR's would go up fairly significantly if we were to make the change.
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| Ryno
June 25, 2007
12:34:40 PM
Entry #: 2225660
| I meant that more when we first started getting in utrip together. At first you were throwing rainmakers because you were used to that type of pitch. I know now that you have done it a bunch you can make the adjustment.
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| Guapo
June 25, 2007
1:12:02 PM
Entry #: 2225771
| Point well taken. Way back then, I'm not so sure I knew there was a different arc is USSSA. Typical Manny-esque cluelessness for me.
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| Ryno
June 25, 2007
1:44:19 PM
Entry #: 2225871
| Hey since you are not doing anything but typing useless info back and forth with me, and looking up porn, go down to Reservoir Ave and get fitted for your tux? You should be ashamed that Shamm beat you to it.
Also you can respond to my email about golfing next week anytime you get around to it. Just wash your hands first.
I know you are a busy man so don't over do it.
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| Ryno
June 25, 2007
1:49:40 PM
Entry #: 2225886
| Ernie trust me you don't ever want to see either one of them attempt to dance.
Sunset baaaa guy said it best. I agree with him. It ain't broke so don't fuck with it.
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