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| Sam
August 8, 2007
8:19:04 AM
Entry #: 2306045
| Congratulations to Barry Bonds on being the Undisputed Homerun Champion of the World!
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| TBowles
August 8, 2007
10:19:12 AM
Entry #: 2306296
| CHEATER CHEATER CHEATER CHEATER CHEATER CHEATER
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| DReid
August 8, 2007
12:00:30 PM
Entry #: 2306553
| I'm all for him.
THG didn't become banned until 2003, 2 years after he broke the single season record. Prohormones weren't banned until January 2006.
Babe Ruth drank like a fish during Prohibition.
There is one reason why this is an issue. People don't like Barry. All that aside, he's the best baseball player we've ever seen.
Just my 2 cents.
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| Tyson
August 8, 2007
1:21:43 PM
Entry #: 2306760
| Its true, I dont like Barry, but I watched every at bat he had for like the past month, even if he was aided by steroids, no one has a better eye for a strike zone, my hats off to him.
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| KEvIN
August 8, 2007
5:00:29 PM
Entry #: 2307247
| Does no one have a problem with this besides me and Tyler Bowles?
Where is the governing Major League Baseball where is fedral indiments? The guy cheated, sure steroids dont help your hand eye corrdination, but wow do they help you hit a ball further.
This man should not be celebrated!! He should be shown the respect that hes given others around the game. He should be booed, Barry Bonds is the biggest ass to play the game and hes bad for baseball. Go ahead and throw out your but he brings people to the ball park remarks. Thats fine and your right he does but he takes away the integrity of the game the honesty and is showing kids that if you cheat in life you can win and thats the wrong message.
No one can dispute the fact that he had some kind of help from substances to do what he did. by age 28, his first 6 years in the game he had i think 163 homeruns. the next 4 at age 32 158, 4 years later at 36 160 and so on and son with in on 4 year span he hit 209 home runs at age 40 are you kidding me? Theres no way this happens with out HGH or steroids. His first 6 years in the league he had two 30 plus homerun seasons your telling me he got better with age and he peeked at 40? theres no way.
Also i could never go as far as saying hes the best player we've ever seen when we have A ROD. Barry is old and unable to field his postion well. He may not make many erroes but he lets a lot of balls drop in front of him or get over his head that other fielders could easily get to> It would suit Barry better to play on an A.L. team.
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| Tyson
August 8, 2007
5:08:04 PM
Entry #: 2307264
| Kevin Kevin Kevin-you gotta learn the facts before you say something like this....
Unable to field his position? How bout 8 gold gloves, that seems like a guy that can field his position. He led the league in OBP I dont know how many times, a league MVP 7 times including 4 years in a row. He shattered the record for most walks in a season and in a career. He ranks 3rd all time on the runs scored list.
He may be an asshole, but he is strides above Alex Rodriguez, just last season everyone was writing A-Rod off, he may be having a good season now but if the Yanks make the playoffs he will disapeer for those. Bonds IS the best player that you or I have ever seen, as much as I dont like him and hate to say that, Stats dont lie. We're talking numbers here, not attitude. And untill he tests positive for a banned substance, he is innocent. This is America-whatever happened to innocent untill proven guilty??? It doesnt matter what you think of the guy personally, hes the all time home run king, and the greatest player of our time.
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| Tyson tyson tyson
August 8, 2007
5:30:37 PM
Entry #: 2307317
| hey wait waqit..i said he was old and unable to field his position that well. i never said anything about him being a bad hitter or anything like that. I think hes a remarkable hitter with great awarness of the strike zone. My whole point was that he cheated to acheive what he did. Of course his runs scored his high it would haft to be when you belt 756 homeruns and your 85 hits shy of 3000. Listen A ROD in ten years if he stays healthy will be our homerun king and he seems to have done it the right way. Unless Jose Cansecos book says other wise. haha. I just dont have respect for Barry my focus is not on if hes a great player its how he became a great player and in doing so he cheated.
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| kevin
August 8, 2007
5:34:06 PM
Entry #: 2307322
| Also he admittingly took sterodis or peromance enhancers but said he didnt know what they were and some how didnt fail a drug test so.....Whats really going on with Major League Baseball Pollices? How many people this year do you think have test postive and not been talked about. I think basbeall has some demons that they are trying to keep locked up.
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| Tyson
August 8, 2007
5:36:12 PM
Entry #: 2307335
| He said he has never knowingly taken steroids, he never said "yes i have taken steroids"
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| Tyson
August 8, 2007
5:38:10 PM
Entry #: 2307340
| How can you sit there and say he is unable to field his position well???? Of course hes gonna lose a step, but he has 8 freaking gold gloves!!! The argument was you saying A-Rod was better-which i disagree with. To say Bonds cant field his position is ignorant.
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August 8, 2007
6:01:16 PM
Entry #: 2307379
| DUDE i said he doesnt field it well.Hes not as good as a typical left fielder should be and typically speaking left fielders are the worst of the 3 . I never once said he was a bad defensive player in his prime i said hes old and he doesnt field it well he doesnt make a lot of errors but he doesnt always get to the routine balls. Thats what i said. That point was leading up to the fact that i think he would be better on an A.L. team. If you took it any other way then thats just ignorant.
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| Tyson
August 8, 2007
6:09:53 PM
Entry #: 2307389
| Ok when we say the best player we have ever seen, that kind of means when he was in his prime. You think A-rod will always be in his prime???? All im saying is stats dont lie, Bonds has 8 career gold gloves, 7 league mvp's and 756 freaking homeruns, juiced or not thats crazy good. Show me a positive test for him and I say take him out of the books, untill then he is officially the homerun king and in my opinion the greatest player you or I have ever seen. (by the way this new security code thing is hard to read...)
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| MOOSE
August 8, 2007
8:42:16 PM
Entry #: 2307610
| GO A-ROD
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| Kevin
August 8, 2007
9:51:05 PM
Entry #: 2307716
| Yeah i do think these are A-ROD's prime years. Do I think he'll contiune to hit 40 home runs every year for the next 10. No I dont, if he hits on avg 28 home runs for the next 10 then he'll be our homerun king. Thats a big IF but its plausable. You know when you were throwing out those on base percentage numbers and stuff about Barry i was thinking there impressive but when you've been walked 2540 times in your career your gonna have a pretty high OBP. That is a testament to how teams respect Barry, I understand that. This is my point and has been through it all Barry Bonds is our home run king for now it wont be another 33 years before we crown a new one thank God. However lets say this remember what happen to Palmerio after he got his historical hit how baseball jumped ship on him and now I think he sales cares somewhere in forthworth TX population 12,907. If it does come out that Barry did use steroids and its proven without a shadow of doubt, how badly does it ruin baseball? Do you still watch? Do you still pay knowing that for over a decade baseball lied to us and made us belivie in something that wasnt authentic and now the most historical record in sports is broken by the biggest fraud? Can americas past time survie this? I, someone who loves the game am worried that it can not, or that if it can it will take years if not decades to heal. The general sports fan wants to belivie what the see done by there favorite athletes is real it adds to the dream. Im worried for baseball and I hope im wrong.
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| Becca
August 8, 2007
10:27:57 PM
Entry #: 2307775
| Pete Rose = Barry Bonds = no Hall of Fame
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| Tyson
August 8, 2007
11:42:13 PM
Entry #: 2307890
| Dude fort worth, TX has way more people than 12000, and if anything Palmeiro is washing cars at that dealership, not selling them
And unless Bonds gets proven guilty that he cheated, he will be a first ballot hall of famer. And Rose should be in there for that matter, its supposed to be about performance, this isnt wrestling, its not fake-who cares about the drama!
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| Tyson
August 8, 2007
11:44:13 PM
Entry #: 2307894
| Kevin you are lucky i got attacked by a hundred spiders and have not been able to leave the house so ive had time to internet fight!
By the way if anyone breaks Bonds record, it will be Roger Clemens, according to ESPN anyway....
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| hahahaha
August 9, 2007
12:08:16 AM
Entry #: 2307920
| hahaha that spider jacked you up. Im scared of them now.
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| jeffro2
August 9, 2007
12:13:34 AM
Entry #: 2307924
| READ between the lines !! YES , BONDS took steroids. NOT KNOWING !! YOUR trainer tells you to take this & don't ask me what it is .. BONDS SALARY!!! & trainer salary !! WAKE UP PEOPLE !! yes as you get older your body can & usually does get bigger!! But your HEAD !! YES !! the man could glove & can hit hr's !! But I don't think he would have ended his career w/ more than 650 !! jus my O.
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| Kbeal
August 9, 2007
10:54:32 AM
Entry #: 2308617
| Yeah I cant believe that I am about to do this. Steroids were not a banned substance in the MLB back when Bonds took steroids. If Bonds is going to be labeled as a cheater then you have to include (Sammy Sosa, Rafael Palmeiro, Jose Canseco and Mark Mcgwire). Even though McGwire never admitted to taking steroids he took pro-hormones and that is basically the same thing. If anyone is to blame then it is the MLB. They should have added steroids to the banned substance list along time ago. I think that the MLB knew about the steroid problems but they did not want to do anything about it. At the time of the Mcgwire vs Sosa home run record chase baseball was just starting to become popular again. To be honest who wants to see a 2-1 game with nothing but singles. Everyone wants to see monster home runs and tons of runs put up on the score board. Trying to punish any player for taking any substance that was not illegal is wrong period. Amphetamines have been illegal for years, but no one is trying to punish any ballplayer that took them back in the 1980's. Once again Bonds followed the rules and may have used steroids, but steroids were not on the banned list when he took them. The only thing that Bonds could be guilty of is lying to the grand jury about taking steroids and that is it. Last time I checked lying in court was a federal crime not a MLB crime. Do I hate it that Bonds broke the homerun record? Yes, I do. On the other hand you got to give the guy some credit. Steroids did not increase his hand eye coordination or his hitting skils. He definately has talent and steroids were not the cause of that talent. They just allowed him to play a little longer. A-Rod will eventually break the home run record anyway so Bonds should enjoy this while it lasts because A-rod is on his way. Does Bonds belong in the Hall of Fame, Yes. Just like Pete Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame. So what Pere Rose bet on baseball games. Rose should get into the hall of fame for his on field performance period.
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| DReid
August 9, 2007
1:14:22 PM
Entry #: 2308977
| Really agree with the sum of Jeff and Kelley. KB, I was gonna post something really similar last night but fell asleep.
THG was banned by the FDA and then listed as an illegal substance in 2003. Bonds broke the single season record in 2001. Prohormones weren't banned in the U.S. until January 2006. That being said, none of it was illegal in baseball until recently.
Cheating? How would you define it? Hypothetical question here.
Sosa goes home from October until March to the Dominican Republic in the baseball offseason. There is not a ban on steroids, HGH, etc.. there. He does 2-3 cycles in his 5 months off. Works his butt off in and out of the gym and field to improve his strength and increase bat speed.
Now he reports to spring training with an additional 15 lbs of lean muscle mass. He puts nothing in his body except "legal" supplements and normal food. The year is 1997.
Was he cheating? He broke absolutely ZERO laws or rules.
Why isn't Babe Ruth questioned? It's greatly detailed that he drank like a fish when he played. All during the 20's, during prohibition, alcohol was illegal. I know that if sometimes i have a beer or two between games at a tournament, it relaxes me and I have hit better before because of it.
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| Sam
August 9, 2007
1:53:21 PM
Entry #: 2309084
| I agree Dan. In the United States you cannot convict anyone on an x-post facto law...(basically meaning a law that exists now but didn't exist then), plus this is the land where we are innocent until proven guilty.
The problem is that we live within a media fed witch hunt. Barry Bonds has always been indifferent to the media and they resent him for it, but who do we get all of our news from?...The same people that hate Barry Bonds, so in turn, most people start to believe what they read/hear, no matter the truth. The truth is that if you were to put a bat in the hands of Arnold Swarzenegger while he was Mr Olympia/Universe, the most he would be able to do is break it between his biceps. It would not make him hit homeruns.
Maybe Barry did take performance enhancers..but hell, I take Ibuprofin to make the swelling go sown in my shoulder so that I can throw to first better. Isn't that a performance enhancer? Yes...and so far...not illegal.
So once again...Congratulations Barry...I dont know you so who knows if you are a jerk...But Dammit man...I respect you!
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| K Beal
August 9, 2007
2:18:21 PM
Entry #: 2309157
| People are bashing Bonds for the fact that he is being investigated for "steroid use" and lying to a grand jury about "steroid use". Everyone needs to understand that Bonds had to have remarkable talent just to make it the level a Major League Baseball. The number of pro baseball players in the show is about 700. So in point you cant be a no talent bumb and take steroids and all of the sudden you got talent. Steroids did not give Bonds super baseball skills. People forget that Bonds won several MLB MVP titles before this steroid problem ever came up. The only thing that steroid could have done was allow Bonds to play longer and heal from the wear of a 162 game schedule. The talent was all Bonds and there is no disputing that fact. MLB cant prosecute bonds for him taking something that was not illegal in the first place. MLB should take the heat for that one, but once again MLB is pointing fingers and does not want to accept responsibilty for there short comings. Like I said in a earlier post. Amphetamines were illegal, but MLB is not going back to research who took Amphetamines over the years. Why? Because the media is not pushing that issue and most people cant read between the lines and understand that newpapers companies are in business to sell newpapers. They will print whatever it takes to get people to read and buy there product.
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| Kbeal
August 9, 2007
2:26:25 PM
Entry #: 2309192
| This is something I got off of ESPN's website. Is MLB going to remove Perry's stats from the books or remove him from the Hall of Fame? Probably not. There is no difference between what Perry did and what Bonds is suspected of doing.
Gaylord Perry
Consider: When Perry's autobiography was published in 1974, the title on the cover was "Me and the Spitter." A couple of years earlier, a National League pitching coach said of Perry's alleged spitball, "Oh, he may throw it once in a while. But really, he throws a good sinker. That thing about the spitter is mostly psychological." It's true that Perry did benefit from the hitters' suspicions, and it's true that he threw plenty of other pitches; in his long career, Perry threw sinkers and fastballs and sliders and curves and slow curves and forkballs and changeups. But it was the spitball that made him a great pitcher, and without it, he certainly wouldn't have won 314 games or been elected to the Hall of Fame.
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| TBowles
August 9, 2007
2:51:05 PM
Entry #: 2309273
| Just something i heard dont know if it is true but someone on here might.....
I heard that 90% of baseball players being caught useing steroids are the pitchers.. and they are saying that did bonds hit all them homeruns off of innocent pitchers..
now is all that stuff true who knows because i dont have that many details to explain just wondering if anyone had heard anything like that..
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| KEvIN
August 9, 2007
3:20:57 PM
Entry #: 2309347
| you maybe innocent until proven guilty but everyone knows thats not how it works in the court of public opinoin. As far as Barry Bonds being a first round hall of famer i dont know he deserves it he has the numbers to get in but rememeber its the sports writers who vote for him. Will all of them put away there distain for him and vote him in... I dont know I would like to belivie that he would be in but I wouldnt be suprise if he wasnt in on his first year of eligabilty...thats spelt so wrong i think. sorry
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| Tyson
August 9, 2007
6:26:58 PM
Entry #: 2309748
| I read a story In ESPN the magazine a while ago about how many pitchers taking roids. Apparently it really helps older pitchers *cough*rogerclemens*cough*....
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| Becca
August 9, 2007
7:12:50 PM
Entry #: 2309830
| No, steroids werent the controversy in the 70's) that they are now but it still doesnt make it right, regardless of the player. Rules are rules - period.
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| DReid
August 9, 2007
7:37:08 PM
Entry #: 2309856
| Right, but Bonds broke no "rules" if he did what he is accused of.
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| Becca
August 9, 2007
9:17:10 PM
Entry #: 2310026
| If he took steroids after the date you posted above (Jan '06), then he broke the rules.
What about Mark McGuire? He should get in before Bonds.
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| DReid
August 9, 2007
10:19:49 PM
Entry #: 2310109
| That's the date for prohormones. I don't think it's ever been a question if he took them then or not. I would say no way with all the testing. Baseball started testing and instituted their policy in 2004.
All that being said, the southern Illinois Softball league will do in season testing starting in 2008. Either Rob Summers or John Abney will need to be present when you "submit your sample".
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| M.Joyner
August 10, 2007
2:43:29 PM
Entry #: 2311268
| Cheater yes, man no. He's let his best friend sit in jail over all of this. Can't stand the man, like most people. He's not been an average fielder in awhile(since started taking roids),he was tuff in Pittsburg but had to be better and hit more homers. Hope him and Mac realize someday if they wouldve said yes they might have got in the hall 1rst time
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| Kbeal
August 11, 2007
1:59:55 PM
Entry #: 2312388
| His friend chose to sit in jail rather than Snitch on a friend. Dont be fooled, his buddy who is sitting in jail will be paid for it later. I am sure Bonds will take care of him after he is released from Federal Prison for Obstruction of Justice. Also his buddy sitting in jail is not talking to the feds probably because he has alot to hide himself like supplying Steroid is a felony. When Bonds was allegedly taking steroids it was not against ANY MLB rules or policies. If that is true then how is it cheating? I am not a Bonds supporter, but right is right and wrong is wrong. In my opinion he did not do anything wrong legally, but he did break some moral or ethical rules. Neither of those are a crime. If having low morals and ethics were a crime then all of the politicians would be in jail.
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| DReid
August 11, 2007
2:46:14 PM
Entry #: 2312420
| Excellent points Kelley. ALSO, THG was not banned at the time as it wasn't known. I'm not 100% on this, but I believe that part of the reason why BALCO is in trouble is because they were creating these new drugs which apparently there is an issue with. But, if Bonds had them, there wouldn't be any charges because it wasn't listed as a steroid.
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| M.Joyner
August 11, 2007
7:23:54 PM
Entry #: 2312596
| Someday the truth will come out that he lied in court and did know he was taking roids. I guess his buddy is getting paid enough. Maybe mlb will grow some one day and take care of the problem. It cost Mac a 1st time ballot, according to most voters, when he didn't take a banned substance. Do we think the whining Bonds will make it 1st time or what?(
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| Becca
August 11, 2007
9:21:46 PM
Entry #: 2312695
| Kbeal, good post and youre right, especially about the politicians, lol!
MJoyner, I agree.
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| The Sheriff
August 12, 2007
11:18:11 AM
Entry #: 2313037
| Roids may not have been a banned substance in baseball while Bonds was taking them, but they are a controlled substance and illegal to possess during the times he has been accussed of taking them.
So Bonds may not have broken MLB banned substance rules, he was breaking the law!!!!
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| Kbeal
August 12, 2007
1:06:24 PM
Entry #: 2313140
| They are not illegal if they are prescribed by a licensed doctor. If you can get a doctor to prescribe you steroids then you are totally legit as far as the law is concerned. So if Bonds, McGwire, Canseco, Palmeiro etc got a doctor to prescribe them steroids then they were legit in the eyes of the law. Now if a doctor gives a pro athlete steroids that DOES NOT give that athlete a free pass on drug testing. A doctors first objective is to heal his patient. Now the Balco thing is totally different. The main reason Balco got into trouble with the feds is that they were distributing a "unknown drug". In order for a company to sell a drug in this country it has to pass FDA approval. The "clear" that Bonds and others were taking was a "unknown substance" as far as the government was concerned. That chemist from Champaign that is known as the "father of pro-hormones" created the "clear" and if anyone broke any laws it would be that man. In closing there is always going to be "cheaters" in sports. Everyone is always looking for that particular edge over there opponents.
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