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TOPIC: USSSA COMES TO COVENTRY |
| ARTIEKARATE
February 25, 2008
10:41:01 PM
Entry #: 2622288
| At the meeting tonight USSSA was voted in to the Coventry bylaws . Not all the rules were adopted but the USSSA BAT LIST WAS PASSED . I will work with smtty to bring more information as soon as possible. There are also a couple link we can add to the site for people to find information on events and tournaments .
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| Littleguy
February 25, 2008
11:01:06 PM
Entry #: 2622330
| Yeah Shaved and repainted UltraII's as Freaks! Can't wait to see how many of those show up now!
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| Smitty
February 25, 2008
11:37:08 PM
Entry #: 2622410
| first, i think all website updates are complete.
by laws updated, usssa rule book added, usssa LEGAL bat list added, usssa website added.
b. ultra 2s still illegal and we probably already have painted bats
third, everyone wanted the freak to remain legal no matter what we did and it is
finally, mark moore wrote the new player/sponsor bylaw (rule 6) and deserves a lot of credit. many of you might not realize the importance of this. now managers and sponsors have an equal partnership whereas before the sponsors had complete control over the players in the league. his proposal was excepted almost completely unedited. thanks for the work you put in
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| EW33
February 25, 2008
11:42:43 PM
Entry #: 2622423
| Littleguy wake up. Last year and since the freak came out it has been used in the coventry league as a legal bat. so painted ultraIIs as freaks could have been here regardless of usssa bat list or not. Sometimes it pays to have some knowledge of the subject before commenting. Do you think that shaved means we trim the little composite hairs that grow on the bats too?
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| Uncle Mertog
February 25, 2008
11:45:58 PM
Entry #: 2622431
| Sweeping changes! Artie nice job getting the USSSA representation there and having all the information available. I thi the league made and excellent choice going with USSSA.
In addition, the changing of the by-laws to protect the players was passed. Yet another excellent decision on behalf of the league.
Teams can now use two DH's and bat 13 guys if they so choose.
Finally, we all learned that not only can Helen Baxter hear just fine, she can also read as well. Nicely done Helen!
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| Uncle Mertog
February 25, 2008
11:51:29 PM
Entry #: 2622444
| Smitty once again I cannot take full credit for doing that, it was essentially your idea and I felt that the idea had huge merit to it. Once again I am but a thieving whore who takes other peoples ideas and just runs with them.
No question IT IS THE PLAYERS who drive this league. Sponsors come and go but the players remain the same.
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| EW33
February 25, 2008
11:51:37 PM
Entry #: 2622446
| Thanks mert, ian, artie and anyone else that voted for USSSA and the bat list. Those are two things that help make sure this league does well in the future. It also improves the quality of play.
What i was wondering was what is the final say on the fakes? I don't care either way. I don't like them but I don't want Lemme threatening me anymore for not liking USSSA all the way. (that was a joke mongo, dont hurt me)
I assume there is still fine tuning to do, but i wanted to know if it was discussed yet.
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| Smitty
February 26, 2008
12:05:12 AM
Entry #: 2622471
| only usssa game play change we are taking is the 6 feet behing the rubber. pitchers can pitch from 50-56 feet, 6ft. -12ft arc.
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| yup
February 26, 2008
1:25:56 AM
Entry #: 2622555
| dose this mean there will be a home run race this year i mean the hot bats are now in short feilds should be interesting . if we are usssa then the no homerun rule or the one homerun hitter per team per game should go inafect sum thing to think about
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| Littleguy
February 26, 2008
1:30:29 AM
Entry #: 2622556
| Cmon man just busting balls I thought you people could take it?
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| Uncle Mertog
February 26, 2008
1:52:06 AM
Entry #: 2622564
| Awwww, widdle guy Big bad Ernie didn't mean anything by it....he doesn't know what a cuddly wuddly you really are.. I love ya man, I won't let the big bad man hurt ya!
Now of course I can't say the same for that walking meat locker Knight though! Chris you got even bigger than the last time I saw you...as Stewart Scott would say...Brutha be straight up housin yo!
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| Uncle Mertog
February 26, 2008
3:04:20 AM
Entry #: 2622582
| Smitty, last night I got home and discovered over 25 more e-mails waiting for me, I just finished them up and it is about 2:46am so forgive me if I'm a little loopy.
One excellent e-mail was from Ryman who brought up a great point, it's not the bats that should have people concerned it is the balls. I assured him that although the bats are going to be USSSA, the balls will remain .375 compression with a .44 core.
For those of you who aren't really saavy on the topic, and to spare you all the long winded mechanics...suffice it all to say that the USSSA 120 bats do not launch .375 compression balls nearly at the same velocity that they launch the .500 compression balls,including the FRREAK. Most USSSA bats are on an equal par with the FREAK, thus the USSSA bats while still creating a bit more distance will not be anywhere near their maximum capacity of their capabilities due to using .375 compression balls. In addition keeping the arc the same as it has been will also reduce the potential dangers that some feared would result.
Thus what you have is a slight increase in bat rating, the same rated balls as we have been using, an additional six feet of safety zone between the pitcher and the hitter, an over the middle guy to take away temptation of shooting the middle, and the same arc we have been using right along. I'd also like those who are still a bit squeemish to understand that when the arc increases and the less movement there is on the ball the lower the rate of the ball coming back at you. Another idea is to keep your pitches closer to the up and in area then down and outside which spells comebacker no matter what bat is being swung.
None of this applies to Chris Knight who is just a friggin beast and is dangerous holding a wiffle bat. Good luck with him this year.
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| EW33
February 26, 2008
4:29:29 AM
Entry #: 2622600
| littleguy sorry if you took me seriously im not used to that. I read my post again and it does sound a bit more mean spirited than it was intended. you are still a shmuck.
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| Littleguy
February 26, 2008
10:12:45 AM
Entry #: 2622893
| Dude no worries. I wasn't mad I read these things everyday I know how you people are! Waqnna go halves on a shaved Ultra?? as Artie would say.. Bizzoommbs! They are much cheaper on ebay these days. Lol Actually I was reading some of the by laws and I hope they stay true to this.....
To address the concern of altered or just excessively used softball bats, USSSA is asking that players no
longer use any bat that shows any visible sign of wear on the barrel, knob, cap or plug. USSSA umpires
and directors in 2007 are authorized in their discretion to remove from play any bat which shows wear such as
worn off or cracked graphics or damaged barrels, handles, tapers, plugs, caps or knobs. Umpires or directors in
their discretion may either remove the offending bat from the game or tournament and return it at the end
of play or simply ask the player to put the bat away and not use it in USSSA play.
If such a bat is brought back into USSSA play, the owner and user of such a bat may be
suspended from USSSA play for up to one year.
I'll be watching! lol I am pumped actually! Can't wait for this season to begin.
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| Fat Chicks Rule
February 26, 2008
10:13:21 AM
Entry #: 2622894
| I guess I better break out the shin pads, chest protector, and mask. That freakin ball is going to be screaming up the middle. I think that we all have some kind of softball sense and should be very conciensous of all of our pitcher's safety. As I have stated in the past, that is my only concern.
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| EW33
February 26, 2008
10:23:41 AM
Entry #: 2622911
| Mark make sure you put a big red dot in the center of that chest protector. LOL
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| yup
February 26, 2008
10:53:47 AM
Entry #: 2622974
| THIS JUST PROVES THE QUALITY OF PLAYER IN THIS LEAGUE IS POOR . EVERYONE SAYS THE PLAY WILL BE BETTER WITH USSSA. WHATS IT GONA PROVE BY HITTING A BALL OUT OF FOSTER (ARTIE HE WISHES) OR A HUNTERS (GALLO) OR A WASHINGTON OAK (KNIGHT) OR RAVEN WOOD(LESNIAK). WITH THE HOT BAT LIST THESE FEILDS ARE LIKE 275 FT IT IS WEAK NEED TO CHANG THE HOMERUN RULE IT MAKES U A BETTER HITTER IT SPEEDS GAMES UP. I HAVE PLAYED ON ARTIES TEAM BEFORE IN TRNYS IT MAKES THE GAME MORE FUN AN INTERESTING
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| ANT
February 26, 2008
11:28:07 AM
Entry #: 2623055
| I agree that the fields with fences are going to be obsolete. Everyone who wanted the utrip bats could have saved alot of cash by just proposing that we bat from second base, so they could get one out! But since it was an overwhelming majority vote what can you do but let it play out and vote again next year. All in all I think last night was a step in a positive direction getting out Hanrahan and the asa thieves.
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| Uncle Mertog
February 26, 2008
1:16:52 PM
Entry #: 2623338
| I'm not sure what the crying is all about, but I will say this...you may find that these bats actually may not play out to the advantage of the big power hitters. There is a 5 home run rule after that each one is an out. So it goes without saying really it will in fact force teams to use them more sparingly and at the right time. I'm willing to bet you see certain guys accidentally hit a dinger at a bad time.
It could actually prove detrimental in certain instances, and once the five are gone...you better keep that ball in the field.
It may even play out to prove that some guys will need to improve on their basehitting to keep the ball in the playing field. It will be interesting, and you never know until you play it and try it. Right now there are a core few guys who are crying before they even give it a shot...it's the chicken little syndrome, the sky is falling the sky is falling. Give it a try.
The beautiful thing about rules and by-laws are that are in fact flexible and can change from year to year. Kind of what is said about our constitution, it's a living document that changes to meet the prevalent needs of our time. Well, last night we showed just how true this sentiment is and changed rules that needed to be changed. They can always change again my friends if we don't like how things go. Nothing is absolute and forever except my undying love for Smitty!
So to the few guys whom are a bit apprehensive, relax...see how it plays out and we'll workon it as we go along. The league showed last night that it is in fact interested in making this a better league for the players whom it encompasses and the trend seems to be that this will continue.
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| RyMan
February 26, 2008
2:32:00 PM
Entry #: 2623543
| Listen to you guys. Chris Knight and Neil Lesniak are two of the best hitters in this league and you're gonna bring up their names talking about people wanting to change to USSSA just to hit more homruns? Don't be idiots. Those guys could hit homeruns with a rope. They've been hitting homeruns for years now, and you think people just wanna change so they can hit more? I can assure you that you will NOT see a huge spike in homeruns this season. People hitting from second base? Come on now. These bats aren't senior softball bats. Read what Mertog mentioned about low compression softballs.
Some of the fields had ridiculous dimensions to begin with, people were hitting homeruns with ease. You could kick a ball out in left at Hunter's Crossing. And even so, I didn't see anyone making any posts coming down on people for going out and buying the best available ASA bats. Where were your sad opinions then? They bought them in hopes of hitting more homeruns.
As far as the comment about softballs comin up the middle too fast, I don't recall there being an issue of them coming up the middle too much, so why would new bats change that? New bats aren't gonna change people's swings. I've pitched before, you don't step onto the mound or the rubber without knowing there's risk. The best pitchers in our league accept this risk, and do what they need to do to maximize their safety.
I agree with Mertog, and not just cause he's a damn cool guy. The switch COULD BE a good thing. If the umps are as good as I hear, we'll all be having so much fun actually being allowed to play, we won't even notice the minor changes.
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| Mac
February 26, 2008
4:21:43 PM
Entry #: 2623889
| i agree with everything mert says, think that ant has it right on its a step in the right direction. i dont care about what bats people use honestly using those usssa bats could help the smaller/ non home run hittin teams cause now every guy on certain teams could pump em out at any time = outfeilders can play deeper and run under the ball. (like i do when ernie and pete hit at foster stand against the back fence in right/right center and just put ur glove up hahah) now once the home runs are gone then everyone has to hit base hits which i think is easier for a smaller guy to hit a ground ball and run it out than a bigger guy tryin to guide the ball to a spot but no lie if knight hits the ball anywhere near me im just curling up in a ball and tryin not to get hurt haha think this should be a really good year and honestly who gives a f*ck about the fences not like we built these feilds and decided to make them 200 or 400 these are the feilds we have to choose from think we suck, think were not that good, whatever life goes on u show me a sunday morning league who has more heart and pure admiration for other guys/ teams in the same league. and i think u will find that it is this league everyone knows one another yes they want to win but 95 % of the time win or lose we are all drinking together or partying after the games team names / colors means sh*t then. its also sunday morning and in my book if ur not having fun doin this your not doin it for the right reasons enjoy the time off
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| paulyh
February 26, 2008
4:51:22 PM
Entry #: 2623964
| well said mac, lets just play some ball. sad day to see jrs is no longer it was a pleasure playing ball for jr and the guys there best of luck to all the guys and there new teams.
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| EW33
February 27, 2008
10:14:51 AM
Entry #: 2625323
| Ant and any other that says the new list has more pop than the old list answer me these two questions:
Is there a bat on the USSSA list that has more pop than the original freak?
What bat was every team that knew anything about the ASA bat list swinging the last 3 or so years?
That is why the new bat list didnt change a damn thing.
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| ANT
February 27, 2008
10:38:25 AM
Entry #: 2625370
| Ernie,
I never said the freak didnt have a ton of pop, but there are definately several of the usssa bats that have more. If that wasnt the case why would just about everyone who wanted the new list use the reason that they want to swing the same bat everywhere if the freak was the best thats what they would be swinging everywhere. my previous post might have been misunderstood I dont think the switch helps guys like you and Neil etc, I think it helps the guy who hits a 260 ft lazy fly ball get an extra 10-15 ft and makes fields like foster and hunters which are at best questionable fields, a joke. But whatever, like I said the beauty or horror of this league depending how you look at it is that every spring Ian reads off every rule and we vote on it so if somethings broken it gets fixed.
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| fiskey
February 27, 2008
12:28:51 PM
Entry #: 2625626
| Original Freak or Freak Ultra, which has more pop?
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| ANT
February 27, 2008
12:34:59 PM
Entry #: 2625635
| ultra hands down theres a reason that bat was only legal for one year
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| fiskey
February 27, 2008
12:39:56 PM
Entry #: 2625647
| Ant, that's funny, because the Ultra is cheaper to buy than the Limited.
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| ANT
February 27, 2008
12:47:13 PM
Entry #: 2625669
| thats because the ultra can only be used in senior leagues origionally it was the first bat that had a 300$ price tag
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| fiskey
February 27, 2008
1:05:12 PM
Entry #: 2625700
| Ant, are you sure your not talking about the Ultra II.
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| fiskey
February 27, 2008
1:17:10 PM
Entry #: 2625718
| Ant, my mistake, I was talking about the Freak Plus, not the Ultra. You know when you get to my age the memory starts to go! So, I guess the question is which has more pop the Original or the plus.
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| RyMan
February 27, 2008
2:12:13 PM
Entry #: 2625831
| Fiskey. Fully broken in, the freak plus should have more pop. But like all USSSA bats, it'd depend a lot on your swing. The BPF on bats (1.20) means a ball will come off your bat if hit on the sweet spot at 1.20 x the speed of your swing. The original freak follows the original standards of the ASA which maxed the speed of a batted ball out at 100mph. USSSA bats almost have an indefinite max out speed, but you'd have to have great bat speed to achieve those kinds of results. None of my numbers are super exact or garaunteed and a lot has to do with bats being tailored to certain ball compression. I just love softball gear and am self taught on my info. Hope my rant helped some.
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| fiskey
February 27, 2008
2:21:32 PM
Entry #: 2625853
| Ryno, thanks for the info!!
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| RyMan
February 27, 2008
2:31:04 PM
Entry #: 2625872
| If you're lookin to buy on, kellysultimatesports.com is selling the plus for $179 AND they're accepting all reasonable offers till tomorrow the 28th. But they've extended their "best offer" sale twice already. Give their site a look. I buy all my bats from them.
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| Uncle Mertog
February 27, 2008
10:51:22 PM
Entry #: 2626929
| Kelly's Ultimate Sports has great bats but even better than that is that they Kelly boys play the game and do tons and tons of testing of each and every bat and write nice reviews on them. They also have videos showing each bat and how it does with a pretty in depth analysis of which ball they were using, temprature, wind etc. You can see these videos on You Tube.
Batsbatsbats.com is a pretty good site with lots of information on any bat that you might be considering. Softballsales.com is pretty good as well, between these three sites it should answer any question you might have.
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| RyMan
February 28, 2008
9:32:10 AM
Entry #: 2627407
| I like kelly's bat descriptions, but I don't like their reviews because they're very biased toward Worth, who sponsors all their teams.
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| Uncle Mertog
February 29, 2008
1:39:58 AM
Entry #: 2629329
| Well Worth does make great bats, the Mutant is definately one of the best bats out there right now. However, they actually stated that the Demarini Juggernaut was the best new bat out there right now.
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| RyMan
February 29, 2008
9:29:23 PM
Entry #: 2631169
| Hey Mertog. I know they have their top 5 lists for ASA and USSSA and neither list has a Worth bat. But I'm talking about their text reviews of bats. All their high priced ones usually vaguely say "one of the best bats out there". And their older bat reviews were very biased towards Worth. Their videos are fun to watch, but Anthony Kelly could hit a homerun with a broom stick. I've always wanted to start a website that did bat reviews that are totally objective with more average hitters that stand to gain or lose nothing by praising or bashing a bat. You want in on the site? You could be a tester.
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| Uncle Mertog
February 29, 2008
10:48:11 PM
Entry #: 2631256
| Hell No! I should be swinging a broom rather than a bat the way I've been hitting the last couple of years. That is why you see my ass firmly glued to the bench and let the guys who actually know how to use a bat do their thing.
It's a good idea mind you, but a very very expensive venture to pull off. Unless you are an Anthony Kelly nobody is going to send you free bats to review and thus you will have to come up with the cash to buy the bats on your own.
At around 300.00 a pop, well that is a little rich for my blood.
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| Uncle Mertog
February 29, 2008
10:48:12 PM
Entry #: 2631257
| Hell No! I should be swinging a broom rather than a bat the way I've been hitting the last couple of years. That is why you see my ass firmly glued to the bench and let the guys who actually know how to use a bat do their thing.
It's a good idea mind you, but a very very expensive venture to pull off. Unless you are an Anthony Kelly nobody is going to send you free bats to review and thus you will have to come up with the cash to buy the bats on your own.
At around 300.00 a pop, well that is a little rich for my blood.
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| Uncle Mertog
February 29, 2008
10:48:12 PM
Entry #: 2631258
| Hell No! I should be swinging a broom rather than a bat the way I've been hitting the last couple of years. That is why you see my ass firmly glued to the bench and let the guys who actually know how to use a bat do their thing.
It's a good idea mind you, but a very very expensive venture to pull off. Unless you are an Anthony Kelly nobody is going to send you free bats to review and thus you will have to come up with the cash to buy the bats on your own.
At around 300.00 a pop, well that is a little rich for my blood.
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| Littleguy
February 29, 2008
11:25:13 PM
Entry #: 2631297
| You should be wearing eyeglasses too! Jesus how many times you gonna post that????
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