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June 3, 2009
10:47:22 AM
Entry #: 3175155
| I like how your trying to close the league down i do... But if your going to close it, close it down on everyone... I was walking up and down on everyones games yesterday and saw an orange team play, team pitcher was totally illegal slingshotting... Then sideliners/groov pitcher chuck bringen it, but shouldnt he be illegal he bring it a little to hard.. for a closed league
I mean groovy if u want closed league lets go play sundayball on tuesday and thursdays. lets just lob the ball inn.. I think thats what you want to get someone isnt it get someone killed.
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| benson
June 3, 2009
12:39:42 PM
Entry #: 3175318
| if u are going to complain about the pitching maybe u should do some research and find out the difference between legal and illegal pitching. Chuck is one of the most legal pitchers out there.
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| HAHA
June 3, 2009
2:05:15 PM
Entry #: 3175428
| IF CHUCK IS LEGAL THEN COLLINS IS LEGAL OH WAIT HE TO FAST FOR EVERYONE.. oH WAIT NVM HE TURNS HIS HIPS... NO THAT AINT IT JUST TO FAST FOR THE LEAGUE.. IF THE UMP CALLS THE PLAYER ILLEGAL THATS FINE IF HE DONT HE SHOULD BE ALOUD TO PITCH NOT LET GROOVY CHOOSE WHO CAN AND CANT PITCH
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| mohney
June 3, 2009
4:10:29 PM
Entry #: 3175627
| first off, Collins played for many years for Bonnels and is still considered a major pitcher. There is no one pitcher in the league that is unhittable. Chuck is one of the better pitchers, but he still gets teed off on at times. Having Collins pitch is like a team picking up Menale in c league. You think anyone wouldnt complain about that??? Your best bet is to suck it up and learn how to hit a decent pitcher.
Obviously you play for AJ's. How about instead of worrying about the pitching, try to field a team of ten so games dont have to be rescheduled.
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| Bayview Coach
June 3, 2009
8:15:36 PM
Entry #: 3175895
| No i give chuck his credit he is great pitcher so is collins. So i dont care what anyone says or talks about, and field a team of ten thats funny... If i recall this C league was tuesday and thursdays... people do work... not everyone can get off work..
groovy i dunno what all this chatter is about its old news. But i do agree with one thing from the above let the umps call what is legal and illegal.. And to stick up for my ball player Collins he may have been a major player get over it that was 6 years ago the man is almost pushen 50.
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| mohney
June 3, 2009
8:20:19 PM
Entry #: 3175901
| by no means am I criticizing Collins. But the fact is he was a major pitcher, and people will be up in arms if he takes the mound.
As far as the tuesdays and thursdays go, for the past 5 years i played in c, we ALWAYS play on friday too. If your team has a problem making the games on fridays, schedule accordingly. Groove gives every team kind of a say in when they play. For example, we wanted mostly night games, and we have 14 of 18 at 745. CM Miller used to play every tuesday and friday because they had issues on thursdays. So that excuse is all for naught
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| better yet
June 4, 2009
7:23:26 AM
Entry #: 3176203
| by no means is collins even a pitcher let alone major
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| Eggs17
June 4, 2009
9:57:13 AM
Entry #: 3176343
| Collins did pitch for bonnell's, but was not a major pitcher. everybody voted and agreed on no sling shot, right. yet i see sling shot happenening. please don't complain if i decide to pitch.
who is this chuck guy, last name please.
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June 4, 2009
10:04:17 AM
Entry #: 3176355
| last name is nduck
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June 4, 2009
9:13:07 PM
Entry #: 3177098
| Where can we get some answers to this puzzle, what is legal and what isn't. Is there pictures or a website that we all can go to in order for everyone to be on the same page here. The by-laws have nothing, asa website seems to be hiding the rules, give us a link or tell us what is and isn't not just names
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June 5, 2009
7:28:23 AM
Entry #: 3177316
| PLAY BALL LADIES HIT THE GRAPEFRUIT SIZE BALL
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June 5, 2009
12:15:33 PM
Entry #: 3177550
| This pdf is excellent and should help.
http://www.westernareaasaofpa.com/Documents/ASA%2010%20MAN%20MODIFIED%20SOFTBALL%20PITCHING%20RULES.pdf
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| HEY HAHA
June 5, 2009
5:16:43 PM
Entry #: 3177830
| IF YOU THINK COLLINS IS SO GOOD THEN WHY DO YOU PLAY IN A "C" LEAGUE. IF HE IS THAT GOOD BUCK UP AND PLAY BETTER COMPETITION. OH YA THATS RIGHT YOU HAVE NO SACK! HE IS MEDIOCRE AT BEST. HE WOULD GET HIS TITS RIPPED IN THE NORTH DIVISION. SO SHUT UP AND KEEP PLAYING IN YOUR "C" DIVISION. OUT
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| amen
June 6, 2009
7:38:27 AM
Entry #: 3178150
| i agree with hay haha collins (schreck) is a bum and walks the house if you have patience , he does not throw strikes
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June 8, 2009
8:59:39 PM
Entry #: 3180474
| I have read and studied your website that you have posted, so if a pitcher is palm out toward second base or outfield he is considered illegal, please clarify that
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June 9, 2009
7:26:58 AM
Entry #: 3180799
| im illegal, your illegal, everyone is illegal,study that
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| ASA Director
June 9, 2009
8:34:14 AM
Entry #: 3180856
| Greg Collins is NOT a Major pitcher although I do not think he should be pitching in the "C" league. I think Mr. Collins should be able to pitch just not in the "C" league. I think the team that has Mr.Collins should be moved up to at least the "B" league. In lite of the actions here I recommend that the team be moved up in the playoffs to the "B" league this way it is fair. The coach should be ashmed of himself by putting Mr.Collins on the mound in the "C" league. That just makes no sense.
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| Groove'
June 9, 2009
10:38:26 AM
Entry #: 3181036
| To Mr ASA HA.HA. Mr Collins hasn't stepped on the mound in over a year,as a matter fact he hasn't busted my balls about it either. I am grateful for that cause I have enough other headaches to deal with.He's not the only one I've spoken to, other teams about being on the mound when they aren't supposed to in the southern league. Then to be lied to about it.As far as moving up in playoffs,not bad thought but I don't think teams involved would go for it. Next year their invited to the central, pitchers and all and go as far as the umps say their legal.
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| clarify question
June 9, 2009
2:32:52 PM
Entry #: 3181456
| I am not sure what you mean by the pitchers palm is toward second base or outfield. The palm should always be down during the back swing or on top of the ball not on the side.
From Mr. Guerriero-THE HUMEREUS CANNOT BE ROTATED CLOCKWISE RESULTING IN THE PALM FACING THIRD BASE FOR A
RIGHTY AT ANY POINT IN THE DELIVERY FOR 10 MAN MODIFIED.
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| doug
June 10, 2009
6:00:09 PM
Entry #: 3183177
| you have got to be joking about the orange teams pitcher....just cuz he can throw faster than other people you instantly want to call him illegal. you men, and i stress men, in this league need to take off your panties and quit making excuses of why you cant hit the ball. go to the batting cage and practice if you think you need an advantage. this is a hitters game. go hit the ball and quit nagging about people that are trying to win.
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| doug
June 10, 2009
6:01:58 PM
Entry #: 3183178
| you have got to be joking about the orange teams pitcher....just cuz he can throw faster than other people you instantly want to call him illegal. you men, and i stress men, in this league need to take off your panties and quit making excuses of why you cant hit the ball. go to the batting cage and practice if you think you need an advantage. this is a hitters game. go hit the ball and quit nagging about people that are trying to win.
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| Groove'
June 11, 2009
10:02:56 AM
Entry #: 3183794
| Doug ok are you on a team in the southern league? Have you ever had an at bat against collins? If you are in south, and never seen the big guy get a hold of me so we can set up a little bp session for ya.I gotta a case of beer says he gets the better of you by a long shot. Then you'll see y I don't want to rely on umps to keep a nice balanced league that we have in the south. Don't be scared.
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| doug
June 11, 2009
11:07:45 AM
Entry #: 3183873
| so is this a fact that you want to have the better pitchers in a higher league?? Or is it like i said that you are afraid that noone would be able to hit this pitcher? what do you mean by balanced? when i left this message it wasnt about mr collins. the previous message said that there was a team in the orange that had a pitcher pitch illegal. you and i both know that greg has not pitched....so the question still is, who was this about. is there a pitcher that is illegal on that team that is pitching? the reason i ask is that the pitcher on that team has pitched in the "b" division in milcreek for 5 years and there was no mention of him being illegal. Walt and all of your umpires have seen him for years. then he comes to this league and now hes illegal?? i would like to know. cuz the answer your question yes i am in the south league.i also am on the same team as mr collins so there is no need to set up a bp cuz i know what he has. fyi i am not trying to stir up some controversy i just want to know who is illegal and who is not. this way we can both be happy and go out and just have fun without all of the politics that this league is seeming to have.
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| witness, can i get one?
June 11, 2009
12:00:50 PM
Entry #: 3183952
| Take it easy Doug. Groove' wasn't referring to your pitcher from Tuesday. No one from the other team complained and the umps never called him illegal so he's not a problem. The league voted to keep 10 man pitching rules and Groove' is just trying to enforce the league rules.
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| Groove'
June 11, 2009
12:43:14 PM
Entry #: 3184017
| Doug sorry for over reacting,been a tough week at the ballfields. Bud Light got away with it in Millcreek because it was a sling league, as far as I know. Along with him there is a couple other pitchers who walk a fine line on being legal. Like I said Im not going to leave it up to certain umps to say who is legal and who isnt on a chosen day.Example: Tuesday pitcher C comes in and mows down team X because the ump let him pitch illegal, Thursday pitcher C gets banged 3 times and is out of the game for pitching illegal. Then what do we have?? Dont worry next year will be different!
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| yes
June 11, 2009
2:20:55 PM
Entry #: 3184149
| groove~ its called play the damn game who cares who pitches like what my god dig in and hit
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| doug
June 11, 2009
3:44:39 PM
Entry #: 3184309
| groove...i would still like to know whether our pitcher is illegal or not. you say that he walks a fine line but does that mean that he is illegal or not. please meet me at our next game so we can watch him and clarify whether or not this is a problem. Thank you
Doug
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June 11, 2009
5:53:41 PM
Entry #: 3184489
| The website posted above seems very clear and even includes pictures for those of you that don't understand what it means when he says "ball outside of the wrist". A pitcher is illegal if any of the following apply to his pitching style:
1. Ball outside of wrist
2. Elbow is cocked
3. Angle of humereus & torso is greater than 90 degrees
4. Hip is not square upon release
5. Shoulders are not square upon release
6. Landing foot crosses over planted foot
7. Landing foot is not pointing towards home
It's not rocket science. Again, see the website for pictures if you need a visual interpretation.
Umpires are responsible for calling a pitcher illegal. Often times they will not call it unless they feel the pitcher is gaining a significant advantage by their technique. It seems like this stupid argument comes up every year. I don't know if Collins is illegal or not but either way he probably shouldn't be pitching in the bottom division. I believe a few years ago he was pitching in the "A" league all star game.
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| Rook
June 12, 2009
10:11:33 AM
Entry #: 3185162
| What's everyone afraid of? Striking out? Getting laughed at by your teammates? Cry me a river. Last time I checked striking out was a part of the game.
I understand the rules were set at the beginning of the year and I am not questioning that. Rules are rules.
What I like is a challenge. Turn up the heat. I have not once heard a single person on any team I have played for say after an at bat, "What could I have done better" or "I need to work on...". The problem with most people is they do not want to improve themselves. Challenge yourselves people.
I play for a "C" team and would love to see better pitching when I am at the plate.
Keep complaining about not being able to hit a 35 MPH "Fastball" and you will all end up "Slow Pitch Legends"!
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| Wow
June 12, 2009
10:25:25 AM
Entry #: 3185177
| Wow, what an idiot you are. I think your post says it all. If you want to be challenged why don't you and your teamates move up to the "B" or "A" division? The reason divisions are created is to keep games competitive and attempt to have teams play each other that are on the same level. It's not so somebody can sandbag and play in C with an "A" pitcher.
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| Rook
June 12, 2009
12:34:17 PM
Entry #: 3185333
| Obviously from your post you are challenged with finding words that are not inflammatory or insulting to people. I can see you were a "Legend In The Classroom". Teammates is spelled with two "M"'s, use your spell check.
You are most likely one of those people who can't catch up to the 35 MPH "Heater". It's OK you can work on that. With hard work and dedication, I have faith in you.
OK I am all for keeping it competitive. But there is not one pitcher in the league that will blow it by everybody every time. Open the pitching up a bit is what I am saying.
From what you are saying is "B" teams have better pitching than "C" teams. Correct?
If divisions were made to make it more competitive then why do the "C" teams play the "B" teams? Stat padding? No, any team can beat any team.
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| Vet
June 12, 2009
4:27:22 PM
Entry #: 3185655
| Ok Rook, I apologize if I hurt your feelings. As long as we're in the proof reading mode, I believe the "In" and "The" in "Legend In The Classroom" should not capitalized. I guess you were no English major either.
Obviously you are young and haven't played ball for very long. If you had, you'd know that this argument goes on every year and whenever the question is posed about having one division slingshot or "open" pitching, it is always shot down. Those that want it are one of the few teams that have guys that can sling. The majority of the teams don't.
Since you seem so interested, I've played for several years and have faced some of the best in the local area in both modified, sling and fast pitch. The Hillhouse brothers, Moats, Menale, Carmelo, Kryschziak (sorry if I butchered that name), Clark, Nichols and Collins and have gotten hits off of all of them (except Hugh Hillhouse I believe). I'm no all star by any means but I've played with and against some pretty good competition over the years and I've held my own, so you may not want to run your mouth about something you have no clue about.
As stated earlier, if you want to talk about challenging yourself, move up to the A division. Most of those guys can still bring it pretty good even when throwing legal. Better yet, get hooked up with a fast pitch team. There's a real challenge.
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| Confused
June 12, 2009
4:44:11 PM
Entry #: 3185679
| Rook: "What I like is a challenge. Turn up the heat. I have not once heard a single person on any team I have played for say after an at bat, "What could I have done better" or "I need to work on...". The problem with most people is they do not want to improve themselves. Challenge yourselves people."
Q: Why then are you playing in "C"?
Rook: "I play for a "C" team and would love to see better pitching when I am at the plate."
Q: Again, why then are you playing in "C"?
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| Vet
June 12, 2009
5:07:12 PM
Entry #: 3185701
| Confused makes a good point.
To answer some of Rook's questions, yes I personally think Chuck and Jeremy are better than any of the "C" league pitchers. If Miller has Trumbetta pitching, then all 3 of these guys are better than any of the other "C" pitchers.
The schedule was the result of a compromise and an attempt to put every team in a division that is as equal as possible. The middle division has 3 teams, so rather than make them play the same 2 teams over and over again, the schedule was set so they played everyone in A once and everyone in C once in order to provide them some variety. The attempt was to keep everything as balanced and competitive as possible. Am I right Groove?
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| innocent bystander
June 12, 2009
5:45:59 PM
Entry #: 3185728
| as to answer the above question...no the reason we did what we did with the divisions and schedule was not for parity. it was soley for 2 teams that said they would walk out on the league if forced to move up and play in the "A" division. as it turned out one of them dropped anyway. they know who they are and it is bull. but it seems to be working out. oh well. just thought i would state my opinion.
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| Dewey
June 13, 2009
12:04:03 AM
Entry #: 3185937
| That's important to point out.....the creation of the B division has nothing to do with parity. There were some teams that refused to play against Bonnells, Braendels, and Dempsey & Baxter (currently losing record after loss to B team).
This B division was not wanted by the league, but agreed on because it was the lesser of two evils (the other being teams would walk from the league).
Now back to pitching, this arguement could go on forever (oh wait...it has). There are several talking points.
A) The illegal pitch is in the rulebook, but its the one thing we seem to pass on the the commish. I think this is a matter for umps only. Its a rule. If a guy was notorious for leaving early and stealing 2nd base....would you ask groove to do something about it and would grove ban him from running bases? Only the umpire should have say.
B) Understand that this is tough on umps, even more so in the two man system. When there is a guy on base...what does the base ump look at? The pitchers wrist or the running leaving the base? The home plate ump does not always have a view of an illegal pitch. I think umps usually just call it on a guy if he is gaining an advantage.
C) I think the idea that we dont go slingshot is more because most hitters in our league dont want to face it and pitchers dont want to learn how to do it. I got news for everyone...its not that hard to learn. Every pitcher in this league (A, B, or C) could do it if they wanted to.
I learned to sling over the years and can do a decent job. I am a below average athlete compared to guys I play against. Benny O wasnt always a slingshot pitcher, neither was Eggs. They worked on it. Those two are far better than me but then again....they are far better athletes then me. Are you all telling me that none of your teams have average to abover average athletes on your team?
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| Vet
June 15, 2009
11:04:13 AM
Entry #: 3187306
| Innocent bystander & Dewey, you guys make some good points. The middle division was a result of a compromise and to keep teams from leaving the league.
I don't think however that you can force teams to go slingshot against teams that already have established slingshot pitchers. I know you mentioned that Eggs & Orengia both learned, but these are two of the best softball players in the area so it would probably be a little more difficult for the average Joe.
If you try to force the entire league to become slingshot, I think you will see the league dwindle just as fastpitch did (though it looks like softball is dying regardless).
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June 15, 2009
2:12:08 PM
Entry #: 3187588
| what a bucnch of punks. hti the ball my god.. see it hit it
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| Dewey
June 15, 2009
5:01:31 PM
Entry #: 3187833
| and I didnt want to seem that with a little work, everyone could be as good as those two guys.......there will always be athletes ahead of the curve. However, I am an average Joe and its not as hard to learn as you would think. Eggs, Benny, and 180 other dudes on our league are better athletes than me.....how many have tried to learn to pitch? Not many. Thats why fastpitch died in the first place...nobody learned to pitch.
And I also believe nobody is interested in pitching legal modfied. And I dont blame them. You want to stand out there...45 feet away from guys with $300 bats...and oh yeah, the best hitters in the city. The good players dont play fastpitch anymore..they are playing in the Harborcreek league.....and how can you get them out throwing legal? Without getting your face ripped off?
You are correct about modified going away soon as well. Tournamets within 100 miles over the course of the summer is less than 5. Leagues in our area that dont have an age requirement...2. Compare that to just 8 years ago.......that tells the story.
Now...number of sunday slow pitch teams.......48 (Five divisions). Number of big ball teams.....14.
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| Defensive struggle
June 16, 2009
10:39:03 AM
Entry #: 3188585
| If we have the best hitters in Erie then why do we use $300 bats? We don't use simple single wall bats (white steel excluded) or wooden bats because then guys who normally can't hit home runs wouldn't be able to hit them. And the guys who would still hit them wouldn't hit as many. That would also give the infielders a chance to field and make defense more a part of our game. And who would want that? And don't forget about the first and third basemen. Wasn't there an idea floated around about banning bunting so that they could play back and not worry about having to play close enough to cover bunts? I know we have a lot of good hitters in our league but maybe the bats help make things a little harder on the pitchers and fielders and a little easier for the the hitters. Just changing the ball a few years ago has helped bring some defense back to the game. Maybe going to all single walls along with closed pitching would help close the gap between A and B teams and we wouldn't be seeing teams refuse to move up to the A league.
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| "C" Stud?
June 16, 2009
11:58:54 AM
Entry #: 3188704
| SO YOUR TELLING ME IF BRAENDEL'S, LOMBARDI'S OR DEMPSEY PLAYED WITH SINGLE WALL BATS YOU "C" TEAMS WOULDN'T CRY SO MUCH ABOUT HAVING TO PLAY THEM? THATS CRAP. WOULDN'T EVEN ANYTHING. YOU STILL WOULD SUCK NO MATTER WHAT BATS THE "A" TEAMS ARE USING. INSTEAD OF HITTING ROUTINE FLY BALLS YOU NOW WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET THE BALL OUT OF THE INFIELD.
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| Defensive struggle
June 16, 2009
1:39:11 PM
Entry #: 3188818
| Please use your indoor letters all the SHOUTING is really hurting my eyes. You forgot to comment about the other points. This post was not about comparing A and B it was building on what Dewey remarked about not wanting "to stand only 45 feet away from guys with $330 bats...and oh yeah, the best hitters in the city. The good players dont play fastpitch anymore..they are playing in the Harborcreek league.....and how can you get them out throwing legal? Without getting your face ripped off?." I never typed that it would make A and B equal I only typed that it would Maybe Help close the gap and keep our league strong.
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| Adam
June 16, 2009
3:31:25 PM
Entry #: 3188962
| reason there is so many sunday co-ed and big ball teams is the cost to field a team is way cheapier then it is for modified. i think the cost of a sunday co-ed team is like 400 as to ours cost of 975.00. most of that cost is because we pay ASA umpires a total of 56.00*(est.) a game and most times, not always they don't do a good job or we get rookies who don't know anything but how much they get paid per game
as for the pitching like every yr we lay it in the hands of the Umpires. either they call it or they don't! why do we pay them again? i don't think sling is the answer, it only benefits 3-4 teams in the whole league and you can't force teams to play it or we'll be the next league in erie area to fold like millcreek. there will always be a desparity in the talent level between the 3 division. some teams are out to have a good time and others are out to win. both are fine
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| Dewey
June 16, 2009
4:52:52 PM
Entry #: 3189056
| For the record, I am all for a wood bat league. We played a game with wood bats with Jimmy Z about three years ago. Both teams used the same bats. It was a great idea. However, how do you do this when teams are preparing to go to tournaments where those bats are allowed.
We played Folmars last night with a no bunt rule, and there were at least four plays made because the thirdbaseman was back. If he was up, he would have not made the play. So that did bring a little defense back to the game.
And if people dont want to have a sling league, then I guess its not the answer. However, the notion that it only benefits 3 or 4 teams is untrue. Every team in this league has a sling pithcer A, B, & C league. Just that some of those teams havent worked on it.
It's almost like if you have to work on something, you would rather ban it from the league.
For those who perfer a straight modfied...fine....but dont use the excuse that your team doesnt have a sling pitcher. If our pitcher left our team, and we didnt have another guy to pitch leagal....you would all say just learn. I say the same to you.
And as long as the best hitters are playing in this league, and we lob the ball down the middle, and make the corners play up..........you will continue to have these scores.
There are 16 games played already in the A division where the total of runs scored is more than 25. And that is only counting the games that have been reported.
If giving an edge back to the pitchers isnt the solution.....then what is?
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| defensive solution
June 16, 2009
5:23:34 PM
Entry #: 3189094
| Walt sized strike zones for everyone!
This is modified, this is modified here! HHHHAAAAAA!
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| Walt
June 16, 2009
5:31:21 PM
Entry #: 3189108
| Now,now. My strike zone is from your shoelaces…er knees to your forehead…um chest. Swing the bat gentlemen this is modified.
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| Potential Solutions
June 16, 2009
6:32:38 PM
Entry #: 3189181
| If your goal is to reduce scoring then:
1. Limit bat usage (i.e. wooden bats, single wall, etc.
2. Flight restricted balls
3. Ease pitching regulations
4. Ban bunting? (not sure if this will increase or decrease scoring)
5. Larger strike zones
6. Have a draft for all sling pitchers
Each one of these have potential negatives.
1. Bats - What about playing in tourneys?
2. Balls - I think we are already using this aren't we? Do they make any that are softer?
3. Sling Pitching - A few teams will have a significant advantage over the rest of the league no matter how many people try to "learn".
4. Bunting - Takes away from part of the game and strategy.
5. Larger strike zone - Works for me but can't control each umps individual zone.
6. Would probably even out league significantly but will never be agreed upon by players and managers.
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| Curious
June 23, 2009
10:08:51 AM
Entry #: 3195675
| So when is Bonnells going to throw Eggs since Jeremy Clark is now pitching and cant wait to hear all these teams bitch when the tables are turned and Eggs is pitching.
Fair is Fair so dont complain when Eggs is mowing down the league next month
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| softball
June 23, 2009
10:23:44 AM
Entry #: 3195695
| its still underhand and still softball. he is hittable. everybody is hittable. its underhand! you must b a "C" stud or something. stay down in your bum ass league. you stink anyway. maybe there will be a orengia vs eggs? and i've watched...jeremy clark is not that good. everybody is crying about him "slinging"? he is no worse than chuck from sidelines, nick anderson from db, or minnow. if he is illegal they all are.
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| Dewey
June 23, 2009
2:13:57 PM
Entry #: 3196014
| Jeremey Clark pitched against us last night, he did not pitch illegal. If you break down his motion on video in slow mo, Im sure you could find something but thats the case for just about everyone. The question that has to be asked is "is he gaining a real advantage"?
I also should point out that Orengia pitched against us earlier in the season and did not throw illegal. He used all knuckle balls and slower stuff (much different than his typical sling version where he gains a big advantage). If either guy was really opening up and gaining an advantage...Im sure the umps would call it.
Same as Russ Cooley, Nick Anderson, Ken Menale, Chuck Carter, etc......
I have not seen Eggs version of non-sling pitching so it wouldnt be fair to comment on it.
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| For the Record
June 23, 2009
3:33:37 PM
Entry #: 3196139
| I know you are smarter than that, you know orengia, anderson, and jeremy Clark are illegal and would now be allowed to pitch in 10 Man ASA States or Nationals. You can't call menale illegal cause he has done it on the ASA stage for years and wasnt called illegal, until those other three can convince guy demaio than they are illegal, guyess that ends that story, but you guys keep chnaging the rules that you SPECIFICALLY VOTED AGAINST!!!
To the person who wanted to see the Eggs vs orengia matchup well guess it will happen cause Eggs is going to start pitching out there from what I hear thru the grapevine.
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| benson
June 23, 2009
3:56:37 PM
Entry #: 3196174
| you are an idiot! you cant call somebody illegal by their name. orengia can conform to the rules and has everytime he has thrown in league this year. jeremy is borderline. he has thrown legal and i have seen some that may have been called at states. but you are still an idiot! leave a name if your going to talk shit! and i did vote for the A league to be sling. maybe you should have some facts before you start talking.
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| Eggs
June 23, 2009
4:55:22 PM
Entry #: 3196270
| This is my first post on this subject. The pitchers you say are legal couldn't even pitch 9 man style without being called illegal. the cross over, open at the top, etc. Minnow is consistent with every pitch, these other guys are not. one pitch is so so, the next is not. I am sure benny and benson wouldn't say anything if I got on the mound against them if benny was opposing. dempsey may say something. Every pitch can attempt to conform, I pitched in harborcreek a few years ago, i was only illegal when the final play off games came. it ashame this call is in the eye of ASA. No offense to them.
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| Dewey
June 23, 2009
5:41:19 PM
Entry #: 3196335
| And to the poster who responded to me....wrong buddy.
Benny....he has conformed as Benson said for league games (at least when he pitched against us). There is a big difference between when he tossed against D&B and when he tossed in westfield.
Nick Anderson...got called illegal 3 times in states....out of maybe 90 pitches. Like I said, sometimes he gets a little outside but is always borderline. Also, with John Dolak umping against Folmars last week and me catching, I asked to let me know so we can prepare for states. He didnt throw one illegal pitch in six innings he tossed.
Ken Menale.....got called illegal a few pitches at states so your arguement holds no water there. Like the others, he just goes over the line sometimes but can also pitch legal when he has to. Just like the before mentioned pitchers.
Ask any of these guys, they know the line and try to get as close to it as possible, if they get called...they back off.
And again, its a call for umpires...not for opposing managers or other teams. What could I say if Eggs was throwing? I guess I can argue the call, the same as I argue out and safe at first base....but those arguements usually lose!
Guys remember.....this has nothing to do with managers....just umps.
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| Formerly Known as Bonnells
June 24, 2009
10:20:42 AM
Entry #: 3196981
| Lets be real, benny and anderson are not legal 10 Man, so when Eggs pitches it is now even why do we get penalized for throwing 10 man and you can do whatever you want. As Dewey would say it holds no argument, menale has pitched at Nationals and does not get called illegal.
Benson I dont think that poster before you was trying to say you didnt vote sling cause we know you did, i think they meant the other team they know who they are.
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| Dewey
June 24, 2009
2:03:42 PM
Entry #: 3197310
| FYI....there was no vote. I was at the 2nd meeting. I was told there was no vote at the 1st or 3rd meeting.
Every pitcher in this dicussion has been called illegal....EVERY ONE. I even witnessed Chuck get called in the city league years ago (although nobody knew why).
EVERY ONE!
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| Adam
June 24, 2009
2:56:03 PM
Entry #: 3197380
| FYI to correct dewey, at the first meeting the team reps ( primarly the A teams)were asked to put their team sponsor, name , phone# and whether they wanted sling or not on a index card they handed to groove at the end of the meeting. i beileve their was only one vote for sling and alot of teams missed the first meeting or didn't send a rep
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| Pete Repeat
June 24, 2009
8:19:57 PM
Entry #: 3197706
| My this is so old every year people bitching about the same thing ! let it go already. who cares who pitches if this matter is that important in your life , then you must have alot to live for.
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| Pitcher of Record
June 25, 2009
4:59:12 PM
Entry #: 3198693
| You cheat when you can.....You use composite bats with me 45 feet away would pitch every pitch legal ?????LOL...All the great one's cheat and everyone knows it you just have to be good at it and know your spots.... Does Menale get called once in a while sure but so does every pitcher at states and nationals. Umps are suppose to call it well at least 2 on a pitcher just to make sure he knows they are watching him you just have to ignore it and say okay to the umps thank you and they will leave you alone the rest of the game. The national stage is the hardest place to get away with it so you have to be as legal as you can no matter who you are. Menale I would say is the most legal in your league then Carney and Anderson.... Most legal pitcher every D.J. John by the book.
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| Old School
June 26, 2009
10:24:43 AM
Entry #: 3199299
| The above statement is the problem with America today. "You cheat when you can". There used to be a time when guys would rather win with dignity and honor rather than just win. I know, this is an outdated thought.
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| Dewey
June 26, 2009
12:53:08 PM
Entry #: 3199461
| Nope, that says it all. I said they are borderline, he said hey cheat when they can. That about sums it up.
No different than guys stealing leaving a split second early, turning a double play but not touching second, missing a tag but then showing the up the ball like you tagged him. Catchers framing the ball even if it was 2 inches outside. And a pitcher sometimes getting the pitch outside of his wrist.
All these are exactly the same, trying to get an edge and only one person has the say...the umpire!
Still not sure why some people want to take the illegal pitch out of the umpires hands and put it in the opposing manager or commish?
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| Future
June 26, 2009
2:20:14 PM
Entry #: 3199566
| Simple solution, next year - A League = sling, everyone else = modified. Those that want to play sling can, those that don't, play modified.
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| out of towner
July 10, 2009
9:28:21 PM
Entry #: 3211758
| as an out of towner who plays fastpitch. why don't you guys throw sling in a fastpitch league. build up the fastpitch league again. play some games against my burgettstown league (south of pgh). we alway enjoyed coming to the erie qualifiers and there's a clearfield league that would send teams.
go to wood bats if you're concearned about hr. we went to wood this year and our hr total for the league went from over 200 to 3. our fence is 250 all the way around. we don't have to worry about juiced/rolled bats and the games are more competive and you have time to react. just an opinion
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