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TOPIC: Umpires |
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| Dionne
July 20, 2009
10:39:49 AM
Entry #: 3220075
| I know we've talked at the meetings a couple of times this year about consistently having one umpire at games. Once again we only had one umpire yesterday at a game with playoff implications on the line. I think I've had 2 umpires once in the last 2 months which is bullshit. I understand that alot of the umps in u-trip are also tournament players but that shouldn't mean us as a league should suffer from it. The one umpire is still doing a good job, better than 2 ASA umpires but something needs to be done or said to come to some sort of compromise.
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| iWitch-hunt
July 20, 2009
12:41:06 PM
Entry #: 3220255
| I'd also like to add that I apologize to the umpire at washington oak, for some comments made in frustration. He did try to do the best he could do, given what he had. I understand there is no possible way to get into position to make every call. It is not fair to the umpire or the team involved to be short handed. This isn't meant to be a blast at Smitty or anyone else, but their should be logical explanation to solve this issue. Fact of the matter a bad call would be easier to swallow if their was a second umpire in a better position, at least you know that they put there best foot foward.
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| OSS
July 20, 2009
4:50:46 PM
Entry #: 3220614
| 2 out of 8 weeks i will check with rick to see why crowe has gotten the short end of the stick. my umpires were great yesterday .we have only had one umpire once and when we did it was one of the better umpires.
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| Unclemertog
July 20, 2009
5:11:27 PM
Entry #: 3220645
| We have had one umpire three times this year, no that it mattered one way or another but...when we first went to USSSA they were very good with the umpires and there were always two there, now that we are a couple years in the umpire shortages seem to be more frequent.
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| Ant6377
July 20, 2009
9:21:59 PM
Entry #: 3220890
| Some of the umpires can handle being alone and some can't. Artie maybe they can work to put the better umpires alone and the not so good ones with someone else. Im sure they know who is better than who.
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| E W 3 3
July 21, 2009
1:15:30 PM
Entry #: 3221545
| A lot of the issue is that this league is getting a very bad reputation for bitching and moaning way too much. I can understand why some get frustrated but we are not helping the umpire situation by complaining constantly during the game and yelling at umpires. The more we make it suck for the umpires the more we will see one man crews. I have heard from 2 seperate umpires that our Sunday morning league is getting worse and worse week to week. The two umpires that said this to me are probably the two best that work our Sunday morning games. As Dionne said I will take any 1 USSSA ump over 2 ASA umps, but the more we yell at umps during the game about calls the more we just hurt ourselves. That being said there are two umpires that do not belong anywhere near a softball field with the ump uniform on. There is the black umpire that is about 350 lbs and looks like an offensive lineman. That guy fuckin stinks on ice. He don't move and blew at least 5 calls. He never moved from second base and wouldnt even switch with the other umpire after the first game because he never left that spot. I swear that motherfucker grew roots out there. The other is a little bald guy that told Broz that he couldn't carry his jock to the field as soon as our games were over. That guy was as unprofessional as they come. Eddie has his name and will be bringing it up at the next meeting.
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| Ant6377
July 21, 2009
1:33:38 PM
Entry #: 3221571
| Ernie i think that tall goofy looking kid is equally as bad luckily we only had him for one week i think it was when we played patriot and im sure they agree that he was awful
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| Chip Chip
July 21, 2009
1:40:07 PM
Entry #: 3221585
| Ant, that was Rick Souza's son. I will agree that he was quite bad with his decision making.
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| DUTILLY
July 21, 2009
1:48:01 PM
Entry #: 3221597
| Talk about complaining to an ump ( and i believe mert can remember this one) FALL BALL 2 YRS AGO WHEN THE ALMIGHTY ERNIE WRIGHT GOT DOUBLED UP AND WENT NUTS ON THE UMP.... AND HE WAS OUT BY 3 STEPS...... AND FOR THE RECORD I HAVE NEVER ONCE BEEN DOUBLED UP BITCH
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| Soxfan7
July 21, 2009
2:35:57 PM
Entry #: 3221689
| Dutilly, you have never been doubled up because EW only has 1 ball!!!!!
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| DUTILLY
July 21, 2009
4:30:21 PM
Entry #: 3221870
| That was classic sisson but in that case ive been tripled up with riley"s 2 nuts and 1 of ernies
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| Unclemertog
July 21, 2009
4:46:44 PM
Entry #: 3221899
| No one cries more about a call than Ernie Wright. He gets his pink taco all in a tizzy over being called out.
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| E W 3 3
July 21, 2009
5:09:37 PM
Entry #: 3221937
| I have had 2 blowups at umps in the past 10 years. They were both horribly blown calls. Both the guys i yelled at were considered the worst in ASA ...that means they were the worst of the worst.
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| Smitty77
July 21, 2009
8:30:23 PM
Entry #: 3222146
| I am not on either side here. Unfortunately, I am right in the middle. I hear and understand the players side of some arguments. I also see the umpires side of some arguments.
1. Several umpires read our message board, critical is one thing but insulting is another. Please keep that in mind.
2. We are gaining a reputation with some of the umpires as Ernie said. It is a job for them. You hate the person that you work with who complains all the time, so you can understand how the umpires feel. Also, you do not get everything you do at work right 100% of the time. We rarely tell them they do a good job.
3. I have never seen an umpire that gets yelled at or insulted change his or her mind about the call in question. Show some respect and calmly ask for an appeal or for them to check with the other umpire (if there is one).
4. As far as teams having one umpire, it has happened more than it should have this season and I am very disappointed. I am going to be calling the director, Rick Sousa, this week to discuss the rest of the season, the playoffs, and Fall Ball.
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| Unclemertog
July 21, 2009
9:29:00 PM
Entry #: 3222206
| Coventry is getting a reputation for crying? There's a fucking shocker! Tell the umpires to pop some corn and head over to one of the meetings if they really want to see some fucking crying!
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| Unclemertog
July 21, 2009
9:31:37 PM
Entry #: 3222209
| And you were out by two fucking steps Ern...deal with it! Great call, you were just too much of a Prima Donna to admit you were out.
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| Littleguy
July 21, 2009
10:36:32 PM
Entry #: 3222276
| Mert that is what you call a superstar attitude.. once again it wasn't his fault he was out am I correct????? Take the blame and say shit... I am a slow ass bastard! In your defense Big Ern you happen to be very fast from what I saw but still man up and admit you were n ot faster than the ball!
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| E W 3 3
July 22, 2009
12:57:27 AM
Entry #: 3222389
| I was so safe that everyone on the opposing team was laughing. The one against you Mark when i barely knew you was such a bad call all you could do was bust my balls and try not to laugh.
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| Ryno34
July 22, 2009
8:07:58 AM
Entry #: 3222487
| WAAHHHHHHHHH. WTF! We bitched for years about ASA umps so we switched. Now we bitch about USSSA umps.
There is a reason they are not umping in the big leagues. They are going to get some calls wrong and yes some guys are worse than others. Most of these guys are players or former players trying to pick up a few extra bucks on the side. And Ian makes a great point. They are not going to change their mind because YOU yelled at them.
All you can ask for is that they are fucking up both ways so at least its consistant and no one is playing favorites.
As far as not hustling to be in position to make a call..... well I can't defend that. That is a legit gripe. Make the effort and if you fuck it up then so be it.
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| OSS
July 22, 2009
8:08:09 AM
Entry #: 3222489
| EW WAS SAFE JUST LIKE HE NEVER STEPS ACROSS THE PLATE HAHAHAHAHA!!! "YOU WANNA SEE MY CLEAT IT DOESNT EVEN MATCH"
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| Ryno34
July 22, 2009
8:14:53 AM
Entry #: 3222495
| Bobby I think after last Sunday EW might not have any balls left after THE WIFE got done with him.
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| OSS
July 22, 2009
8:26:28 AM
Entry #: 3222505
| ryno and mert make valid points if your not gonna get a called reversed if you yell at a ump. there are only one or two umps that ive seen that are pretty bad. they are reason the others are getting a bad rep. gino , bobby , vegas , trevor , ricky ,and gibree we can all agree do a great job. i have never had any problems with dean and bj, but have heard some complaints . the big guy that doesnt move we all agree is pretty bad . you have to understand if you give a guy a bunch of shit its human nature to give it right back. having one ump a game sucks , but these guys take vacations , have birthdays , weddings and so on. what would you say if your boss said you couldnt take vacation ? some do it for extra cash but it is a job. THESE GUYS ARE STILL BETTER THAN ASA UMPIRES. GO TO ATWOOD ON SUN , MON , WED, AND THURS AND WATCH A GAME AND U MIGHT REMEMBER HOW BAD THEY WERE!!!!
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| Gopher
July 22, 2009
8:32:54 AM
Entry #: 3222510
| Ryno, I took care of EW's wife that day plus He gave her some flash money, night out, and dinner the next day so he is fine now...but she has asked me to stay on stand by to notarize the paper's if need be
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| Unclemertog
July 22, 2009
1:59:25 PM
Entry #: 3222921
| We will never hear the end of this argument, that was 2005 and nearly 5 years later he is still bitching about it. Ernie for a guy who doesn't bitch about calls, going on 5 years and still bitching about a call is pretty scary. You might want to consult some professional help on that chief.
"I play in the B's" I can't even say hi to the PNA guys now when I see them at tourneys...there is no way I could ever be doubled up....blah blah fucking blah."
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| Unclemertog
July 22, 2009
2:08:42 PM
Entry #: 3222928
| Getting back to the umpire situation, my only problem is once again we are getting shorted and we wee told that this would not happen and if it did it would be RARE...well it is not rare, it has become more and more frequent.
That is not what was agreed to in the beginning.
As far as the bitching and whinning goes, it goes both ways, I agree it is pretty silly to cry about calls it isn't going to change anything, and umpires (believe or not) are human and by definition fallible and are prone to make mistakes.
Having said that much, the umpires also need to grow thicker skin. Much like my job, if I went and pouted everytime and inmate called me a name that would be an indicator that I needed to find other work. Same with umpires, they need to understand that guys are going to bitch about calls...it comes with the territory.
I never argue calls, I think I have bitched once in all the years I managed due to a really moronic call and that wasn't directly at the umpire it was more under my breath on the bench. I just don't see the need for it.
So Ernie stop crying like a school girl with a skinned knee.
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| Littleguy
July 22, 2009
3:17:42 PM
Entry #: 3223062
| Hey Mert I bet I could get you fired up!
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| hinske
July 22, 2009
6:13:55 PM
Entry #: 3223344
| We def have had only one ump for the majority of the season and most of the time they do a decent enough job. We usually get Bobbie and he is a great ump. Its tough to make all the calls by yourself so i don't see the need to argue. Certain things will be missed i know the guys this weekend wern't happy with who we had becuase he seemed to miss the calls that he would have had to make if there was another guy.
In the heat of the moment guys get crazy but thats part of the game. Its that way in all levels.
Let them read the board if they don't like what they hear maybe they should do a better job. The guys that are good umps im sure are not worried about what we have to say. They know they are doing their job right and that we arn't talking about them.
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| hodde
July 23, 2009
5:46:19 PM
Entry #: 3224701
| i know bobby reads our posts and he really enjoys it. he knows me as hodde he heard someone call me hodde and he connected me with the website ill bet he dont know my first name though lol. so im sure our complaints on this site are heard by ussa umpires. one more thing to all you whiners before you bitch go umpire a game just one
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| iWitch-hunt
July 23, 2009
8:32:14 PM
Entry #: 3224862
| Wait a minute! Hodde is calling people whiners?? Do we need to remind you of all the whining you have done in the last year? Mert even had to send you off on the whaaaambulance. haha.
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| hodde
July 23, 2009
8:40:02 PM
Entry #: 3224868
| slezak im sitting here wondering why are you always all over my chit. did i ever do something to you. you bitch at me more then my wife. leave me alone and go bitch at hinske like you bitched about him the day we played you
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| iWitch-hunt
July 24, 2009
6:16:03 PM
Entry #: 3225800
| Come on Hodde, it's not my fault. Please speak to my agent "The Gopher" he is the one that puts me up to it.
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| rick16
July 26, 2009
3:05:27 PM
Entry #: 3226645
| TO All,
I'd like to apologize for our Association not being able to fill the committment of 2 Umpires on a regular basis. Unfortunately it comes down to an Individuals availability, I have 36 umpires that we use and unfortunately Sunday Mornings Availability is a little more than half and not every week. We also do a Somerset Sunday League that we have 4 fields that require 1 Umpire as well as a Bristol Co-Ed that wants 2 and I told them we could only send 1 umpire. I have emailed as well as called Ian to tell him that we would only have 1 guy on so many fields on many occasions like this morning. I try to be as Up front about it as possible. Almost every guy drives from the East Bay and Southeaston Mass. I have spoken to All Umpires about the complaints and hopefully things have and will get better. I expect every Umpire to to give there best game every game. We DO make mistakes, as long as we can learn from them and get better. I have concerns that I brought up with Ian also and he hopefully work on those things. I DO NOT have any or many of these problems At All in Other Leagues and we do 10 Leagues from Sun. thru Fri.
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| Ant6377
July 26, 2009
4:16:32 PM
Entry #: 3226676
| What are the concerns you have with the league?
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| rick16
July 26, 2009
5:24:25 PM
Entry #: 3226704
| Those are things Ian will handle and not anything I'll write about on a message board. What Ian and I talk about we try to handle professionally so things work for Your League, USSSA and the Umpires. Also so we are on the same page.
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| Gopher
July 26, 2009
5:33:57 PM
Entry #: 3226710
| Only had 1 Ump today that being "Tipperilo"(Bobby) and he did a great job!!!
Only 1 call to question and Tucker let him know what he did wrong....LOL
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| rick16
July 26, 2009
5:42:17 PM
Entry #: 3226713
| Tuckers clueless, what does he know ?? I play for Allstate and I try not to listen to him too much !!! LOL
Tipperillo - I like that neme.
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| tuck00
July 26, 2009
6:35:16 PM
Entry #: 3226755
| Gopher,
Don't throw me under the bus I don't argue with umpires I just ask for clarification and Bobby did a great job
Sousa look for another team, your benched
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| iWitch-hunt
July 26, 2009
7:13:18 PM
Entry #: 3226785
| crowe/shamrock didn't have an umpire until 10:30. Thanks, Ian for sending the other umpire down to us. That ump did a awesome job, with calls, being vocal, and explaining his calls. Nice job! Then Gino came by and finished the last few innings on his own time, thanks again! I'm sure that these issues will be resolved and head in the right direction.
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| Chip Chip
July 26, 2009
10:05:40 PM
Entry #: 3226951
| Patriot/ Village Pub had one umpire also. He was hustling in the field to make calls and sprinting into the outfield as well. A great job for only one umpire.
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| Ryno34
July 27, 2009
8:49:17 AM
Entry #: 3227204
| Rick good job recognizing problems both ways and handling it without duking it on on the board.
And don't worry about Tuckers threats. Pretty soon he will look around and realize he is the backup pitcher and put you right back in lol.
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| Ryno34
July 27, 2009
8:55:38 AM
Entry #: 3227210
| Oh yeah Tuck I saw you called me last night. I'll call you back tonight.
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| DeMonti
July 27, 2009
12:31:13 PM
Entry #: 3227474
| you know, not for nothing, but we have 7 fields with 8 games, being double headers, which the 12 oclock games are done by the same 2 umps every week, so if my math is correct, that means to have 2 umps at each field rick would need to supply 14 umps to coventry sunday mornings. on the averege this year he has supplied us with 9 or fewer umps each week, that is fucking terrible. i dont care how good of an ump you are it is impossible to be in two places at the same time. yesterday we had gino who is a great ump and he still cant be in two places at the same time and missed more then 4 calls on guys leaving early, getting under tags and totally missing bases because he was trying to be somewhere else on the field to make a call and to his defense, he just cant watch plays behind the one he is calling, and ofcourse, who the fuck are you going to appeal to, someone in the stands? i tryed to stay quiet on this subject but when i hear rick use words like professional it kinda rubs me the wrong way because i think the professional thing to do is not commit to a 16 team league if you dont have the help. if all your guys are east bay and you have all the other leagues to tend to on sundays then why the hell did you commit to our league when you know you cant accomodate us with the proper umpires. i dont care what anyone says playing a game with one ump sucks cock, there is always a judgement call issuew and 9 times out of ten the wrong call is made and its fucking frustrating as hell because with 2 umps the rite call would have been made. nothing against you at all rick, im just saying what everyone is thinking and it just doesnt seem fair ty coventry players that we arnt getting what we asked for and you assured us we would have.
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| OSS
July 27, 2009
2:04:57 PM
Entry #: 3227576
| tic toc tic toc settle down timebomb he said in his post hes doing his best to correct the situation . rick one suggestion i will make is if you have to send one ump to the game . send the best ump by himeself . vegas , bobby , gino , gib and yourself seem to have the most respect and do the best job. i think dean is good enough too. giiiitttteeerr done brah and start recruiting for next year. our umps yesterday did a great job and it was none of the ones i just mentioned . with states coming up everyone should be prepared for possibly having one ump . send one ump to my games with club jokes on the 9th there are no playoff implications in that game and we are gonna pump them anyway. hahahahaa that should get a rise outa hodde .
also i would love to see tuck take your mound in the c worlds BOLOGNE BOLOGNE BOLOGNE !!!
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| tuck00
July 27, 2009
9:37:23 PM
Entry #: 3228117
| Artie, You have to be a moron to pitch, lol, knowing you can get nailed by every batter plus I'm not that well liked so I'm sure someone would try to kill me.
No Thanks
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| rick16
July 28, 2009
5:26:15 PM
Entry #: 3229148
| And I'd say we pretty much Did last year and I understand your concerns but if you wanna talk about find a better way or approach me yourself instead of being a hero on the Board. I cannot do anything about everyones availablity which is different year to year. Last year some guys played on different weekend teams and were more available and now alot are playing on the same teams and playing many sundays which has created problems for me & I have more Umps than last year. As for the other leagues, the guys that go there usually have to be some where for 12 or so and those leagues start at 9 and are local, those umpires would never travel to Coventry anyway if they have a committment w/ family or whatever. I've even tried to user guys from the other USSSA Assoc. and they can't supply any. I've been upfront about this as much as possible so I'm not disregarding it. I've also turned down 2 other leagues that wanted 1 umpire at fields.
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| lb4lb
July 28, 2009
5:47:18 PM
Entry #: 3229173
| For the record, McGrath was out. So subtract one from Gino missed calls. The tag was executed to perfection.
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