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TOPIC: one tourney |
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| Jim Joyce
June 23, 2010
6:42:25 PM
Entry #: 3511665
| Has there been any talk about having a tourney that would include the top few teams in A, B and C each year, instead of having 3 state champs every year?
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| Old Timer
June 23, 2010
7:42:54 PM
Entry #: 3511694
| Yeah it's been going on for about a decade now and there seems to be no one willing to get the ball rolling and pull the trigger.
Pretty sure there are too many against it versus those who are for it.
I have always said 8 teams from class A and 8 teams from B....let C still play their own tourney.
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| Jim Joyce
June 23, 2010
10:15:18 PM
Entry #: 3511820
| OT, I think you have a great idea there. Even if it isn't called a "state tournament." With team as well as class bragging rights on the line it would be fun to see in the right venue.
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| Cuddys Buddy
June 23, 2010
11:03:02 PM
Entry #: 3511866
| The Class B and C folks are absolute frauds and want nothing to do with Class A.
How can anyone take the B and C tournaments seriously when they're allowed to draft players from other teams for their playoff run? What a joke.
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| Jim Joyce
June 23, 2010
11:27:50 PM
Entry #: 3511875
| Cuddy, I agree with you. Why would you want to win something significant with guys who were not in your dugout during the regular season? There are Class A teams believe it or not who are lean in the areas of pitching depth and catching but you know what? Maybe that means you shouldn't be in the Tourney and if you are.......play the hand your dealt!
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| Flare man
June 24, 2010
12:39:16 AM
Entry #: 3511895
| You could take the best players from B and C and they still wouldn't win a class A title. I will go one deeper, you could also build an All-Star team from St. Paul and that team wouldn't win the Class A title. BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE...
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| Jim Joyce
June 24, 2010
12:54:45 AM
Entry #: 3511900
| Flare Man, C'mon buddy! I'm pretty sure I know who you are and I've seen a cat who throws about 75MPH on a good day shove against you guys on 2 occasions (the same cat no less). You know who were talking about here I am sure. You don't think Femrite could beat you guys on a given day?? I'll tell ya what boss, he could not only no hit you guys but I would EXPECT him to beat you! When you don't get out to that early lead you would get tight like you always do!! Panic would set in and you would be done. I respect you guys as the best team, but stop being so arrogant.
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| Flare man
June 24, 2010
1:16:07 AM
Entry #: 3511903
| I am pulling an OT, I am obviously kidding. There are some really great pitchers in both A and B and yes that dude has our number. As far as the dude from Cold Springs. We have faced him probably 6-8 times and he has beaten us twice. I would much rather face him then the guy from Green Isle. Remember, just because you throw hard doesn't mean your necessarily the best pitcher. Lastly, I think we all play this game because it is so unpredictable which is why anyone can win on any given night.
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| Jim Joyce
June 24, 2010
1:39:48 AM
Entry #: 3511907
| Gotcha Flare. I'm glad I mis-understood where you were coming from. If you think of the craziness that would ensue, if you took the the top X number of teams from each class and threw em in the furnace with each other and their fans at a venue like Chaska, Jordan, the Vet Etc, it would be awesome! It's obviously a long shot because people don't like change but I can guarantee , it's something everyone would want to be a part of and the gate would absolutley slaughter any "state" tourney's" in the area..........just food for thought....
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| Old Timer
June 24, 2010
9:42:56 AM
Entry #: 3512088
| Here is why a B and A tourney will never happen. Considering a A, B and C combined only makes it more complicated so that will absolutely never happen.
1) Revenue....B teams/parks bid on the tourney and huge amounts of money are made off of hosting it. Class B would view any A team in the tourney instead of a B as lost money.
Class A can barely get 200 poeple to a championship game at Midway much less at some park in the sticks.....like say this year where one of the host sites is Wilmar....the other one is further out then that!
2) Class B would still draft as they have been doing it for decades. Class A would say they don't want to draft. Therefore and realistically speaking the peeps in B would figure that any team from A who got shoved into the loosers bracket would be nearly a lock for two and out. Transversely B teams in the loosers bracket with drafted players have a legit chance to keep going and consequently bring in more money for the host.
3) Perhaps B would think of the possibility of there being only two B teams with two A teams in the winner's bracket semi games instead of four B teams......this would mean lossing tons of money.
4) Perhaps B would be leary of the possibility of a Class A winner's bracket final game and only 298 people showed up..and again tons of money not made.
5) Perhaps A teams would want to draft and then B would be even more leary of not enough B teams making it far enough to again potentially cost the host sites tons of money.
6) If B ever agreed to it and they are the ones holding all the cards on it I would bet any amount of money that there is no way they would allow for any more then four A teams to be in the mix perhaps only two regardless of any records, season performance ect. and those two clubs would be Park and Tonka.
I say Park and Tonka only because of their success, the qaulity of their teams, the depth of their pitching staffs, and the solid reputations they have built at B parks for years.
Regarding the aforementioned opinion I honestly do not think there are any other A teams that if they did not draft would be able to compete on the pitching side of things in a combined tourney against B teams who draft.
7) Last but not least there is a huge tradition at the Class B level and it has been around in some towns for over seven decades of home town baseball. What they have been doing works for them, they bring in fans, they bring in money and as I previosuly mentioned they don't need any A teams in their tourneys and probably would not want any except a very select few.
"Wooden Nickel"
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| tall & lanky
June 24, 2010
11:39:46 AM
Entry #: 3512194
| Money is a huge part of it. And for that reason it makes sense why Class B wouldnt want us in their tourney. The draft issue would also come up and if B did it and A didnt, that would probably be used as an excuse by some A teams (for good reason I guess.)
Lastly, the one thing OT missed - when would this State tourney be held? Some (good)teams in Class A complain about how late in the season our current Tourney goes (because of guys going back to college, etc..). What would happen if we had to play into sept like B and C do? I'm sure some of those good teams in A would lose 3-5 college guys who make their lineup competitive. It would suck if you were missing your 3-5 best guys during the State Tourney. Not all teams are in this boat, but I know of some older teams who even agree that playing into mid sept would cause some problems with travel/vacations, school starting, family stuff, etc...
Personally, those three reasons dont change my opnion. I'd love to have an A & B tourney. However we have to consider all A teams input, not just those who get on this site. Also Class B would NEVER let this happen.
Perhaps we start with a Class A vs Class B All-Star game (at Chaska, Jordan, Miesville, Tonka or somewhere like that). just a thought...
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| Jim Joyce
June 25, 2010
12:17:39 AM
Entry #: 3512775
| OT & Lankified, you guys bring up good points. The part that is to bad is the fact that more people would like to see something like this happen than not. It will happen at some point, maybe not in our playing days but when it does it will be fun to see.
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| Old Timer
June 26, 2010
11:27:52 PM
Entry #: 3513636
| I know we will loose two of our top players off of Chaska come Labor Day weekend......
Valid point Lank......you know what it/a two class tourney will never happen.
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