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TOPIC: Passing / Offensive Strategy |
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| Shizz
August 13, 2011
5:54:51 PM
Entry #: 3780836
| I just wanted to say that I hope the passing game and offensive strategy improves this season from last season where they seemed like the only had 5 plays in the whole playbook...now I don't take the scrimmage as anything as an exhibition because The Rams don't show what all they have or what all they use...I still believe that in the 3 losses they had last season that during those blowout wins they had against weaker opponents..if they had used those games as a regular type game and worked on the passing game or use more formations would've helped because they would've been better prepared when they got beat 45-6 against Brownstown...that game should've been a wakeup call for the Rams to see that everygame is as important as any if it's the Rego Warriors or The Green Bay Packers...now i'll have to wait and see how the offensive coordinator's playbook changes this season but if he goes back and uses Knute Rockne's "4 Horsemen" Playbook from the 1924 season then The Rams will be in trouble...I think the SMU Pony Express Teams with Craig James and Eric Dickerson in the early 1980s passed more in their time there then The Rams did last season....at least the 1960's Green Bay Packers With Paul Hornung Running the Packers Single Wing passed more than The Rams last season...I think even Tommie Frazier and Scott Frost passed more during those 3-4 years with those mid 1990s dominant Nebraska teams than The Rams did last season...but joking aside I think the leg or foot injury To T. Wroblewski which probably will put him out for the whole season will hurt the passing game because it takes a reciever out of the passing game I did like what I saw out of the Balsmeyer kid I think if he grows a few inches he could be dangerous in years to come he can throw good and run well....
Shiz
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| Dutchman
August 14, 2011
9:52:06 PM
Entry #: 3781411
| Shizz-
You are the man when it comes to football history. I can only hope that we are more offensive minded than we were last season. I didnt get to the scrimmage but you can't repeat your past mistakes like what we did last season with our offense. Coach B needs to take a good look at his offense and start making some changes.
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| RealisticFan
August 15, 2011
8:38:33 AM
Entry #: 3781550
| I love the intensity that the Rams play with on defense, but I have always said that our offense is to predictible. Any team with good athletes and a coach with half a brain should be able to shut down the Rams. It's bad because we have the athletes to do whatever we want.
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| 486
August 15, 2011
1:04:17 PM
Entry #: 3781759
| My .02
Offense They now have a big lineso run an old fashion I Wrobleski at quarterback (good passer)Shepherd at fullback(a bull)Wilson at tailback( good runner)Axsom at flanker(good reciever)Tanner Wrobleski at tight end when back(good reciever)Phelps at split end(good reciever)They could balance run and pass, even run option, use best strength of skill playerstough to defend
DefenseWhy 5-2 why not 5-3 unless passing outfit like WW get 8 in boxput Shepherd at noseguardremember how Dillard gave them fits from nose 2 years agothen adjust for who we play
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| commonsense3
August 15, 2011
3:06:01 PM
Entry #: 3781884
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| Shizz
August 15, 2011
5:18:57 PM
Entry #: 3782007
| I also would like too see different formations used but I was so tired of preaching it last year I thought this year might be different...looks as though another year of same ol' crap...I just don't understand how you can have talent at different skill positions and not use different formations to use them in more than one way...I like the I-Formation suggestion but that would include a passing attack and that would be scratched off the list as soon as it was presented to the coordinator...just wanna see some new stuff this year
Shiz
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| commonsense3
August 15, 2011
7:03:59 PM
Entry #: 3782067
| Good idea lets change what works and go with the I and a 5-3 and get our butts kicked like we used to. Where do you think our 22-4 record came from in the last 2 years if our O and D is so wrong.Our flex bone is a vastly better offense than the I. The 5-2 we run is what all good high school teams run for a reason. Also it dose change for the team we are facing, if you knew football you could see that. Maybe you all should quit complaining and start supporting our team on here. I think thats the idea.
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| 486
August 15, 2011
8:48:26 PM
Entry #: 3782110
| Commonsense 3
Don't get so excited, we do support the team. We also know football. Forrest Park did just fine running an I and a 4 4 defense. Bobby Bowden changed his O to take advantage of players strengths.
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| RealisticFan
August 16, 2011
6:45:04 AM
Entry #: 3782320
| What we are doing works great against the crawford counties and north harrisons. but the reality is, we wont face those teams late in the sectional or regional. when you get to that point you better be a little more diversified than we are. lets be realistic, there was a lot of luck involved in us going to the semi state. and i do support the team. never miss a game but i also have some common sense. if you have the talent, use it.
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| RealisticFan
August 16, 2011
7:03:17 AM
Entry #: 3782325
| now, there is 1 and only 1 way around not being more diversified against the better teams. control the line of scrimmage.we do that against most teams on our regular season schedule but not all of them.if you control the line, you can do whatevr you want and still win.
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| Dutchman
August 16, 2011
11:06:31 AM
Entry #: 3782470
| CommonSense:
It's easy to have a 22-4 record when you have played the schedule the Rams have played in the past few years. For the most part, we don't have much choice with our conference schedule, but we do with non-conference opponents. All you need to do is go to the Sagarin Ratings and you'll see what I am talking about. One of the weakest schedules in Class 2A. This should not just be a "feel good" forum here, but one that discusses how our team can only get better.
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| Dutchman
August 16, 2011
11:06:32 AM
Entry #: 3782471
| CommonSense:
It's easy to have a 22-4 record when you have played the schedule the Rams have played in the past few years. For the most part, we don't have much choice with our conference schedule, but we do with non-conference opponents. All you need to do is go to the Sagarin Ratings and you'll see what I am talking about. One of the weakest schedules in Class 2A. This should not just be a "feel good" forum here, but one that discusses how our team can only get better.
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| Dutchman
August 16, 2011
11:06:36 AM
Entry #: 3782472
| CommonSense:
It's easy to have a 22-4 record when you have played the schedule the Rams have played in the past few years. For the most part, we don't have much choice with our conference schedule, but we do with non-conference opponents. All you need to do is go to the Sagarin Ratings and you'll see what I am talking about. One of the weakest schedules in Class 2A. This should not just be a "feel good" forum here, but one that discusses how our team can only get better.
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| Dutchman
August 16, 2011
11:06:41 AM
Entry #: 3782473
| CommonSense:
It's easy to have a 22-4 record when you have played the schedule the Rams have played in the past few years. For the most part, we don't have much choice with our conference schedule, but we do with non-conference opponents. All you need to do is go to the Sagarin Ratings and you'll see what I am talking about. One of the weakest schedules in Class 2A. This should not just be a "feel good" forum here, but one that discusses how our team can only get better.
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| Shizz
August 16, 2011
5:58:39 PM
Entry #: 3782807
| If you give me Adrian Peterson and Chris Johnson in the backfield with Michael Vick at Quarterback with the mid 1990s Dallas Cowboys Offensive Line i'll run that veer option all day I don't mind the veer option if you had other formations to go with it at some point you have to have somethin in the playbook that might at least attempt to comnfuse the other teams' defenses...I hate it for the kids who stand on the sidelines and who you could use based on different formations don't get to shine or get that experience now that in a few years when they aere Juniorsa or Seniors aree getting their 1st Varsity experience when they could've been slowly brought in...You know there's a reason that Oklahoma doesn't run the Oklahoma Wishbone or Nebraska have went to more of a spread option attack rather than the dominant Nebraska Wishbone it limited them in what they could do when the defenses figured out how to stop it...just wanting the playbook to advance from 5 plays in a single formation to somethin where it could benefit everyone and to open up a passing game
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| commonsense3
August 16, 2011
8:36:50 PM
Entry #: 3782876
| First of all that easy schedule included wins over providence,B-town and Mater dei. Also Monrovia went to the state game with the same offense we run. Also the O we run is called the flex-bone not the veer. It is designed for teams that are not always the biggest. If you all think that the result of 2009 was only because of the kids. Then you are fooling yourselves fact is we have had better athletes in the past and never did much in the tourney. Guess what we ran, thats right the I. Fact is it will work when you have the biggest horses on the field but we generally don't. Not this year, and not last year.Our team will be smaller then all the teams we play in the late season and it will not work.
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| commonsense3
August 16, 2011
8:45:18 PM
Entry #: 3782884
| By the way you keep refering to different formations and kids that could be used. Guess what the kids who do the best will play. If they did change formations they would still use the same personel. Because they are the kids that best fill the spots period. Just like you all going on your rant about how last years wonder boy should have been Q as a freshman or this year sure he was fast, what happened when things did not go his way. HE QUIT. guess Brain had that one figured out too hummmm. I see a pattern here.
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| commonsense3
August 16, 2011
8:45:21 PM
Entry #: 3782885
| By the way you keep refering to different formations and kids that could be used. Guess what the kids who do the best will play. If they did change formations they would still use the same personel. Because they are the kids that best fill the spots period. Just like you all going on your rant about how last years wonder boy should have been Q as a freshman or this year sure he was fast, what happened when things did not go his way. HE QUIT. guess Brain had that one figured out too hummmm. I see a pattern here.
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| commonsense3
August 16, 2011
9:37:58 PM
Entry #: 3782900
| If you want to talk foot ball lets talk 2a high school football. When you compare Paoli to the NFL or D.1 collage teams you are way off base. We may at times have kids that are good players but we won't have alot of great ones like you're compairing them too. In a 5a school where you have 150+ kids who want to play sure you can find 11 that can run what ever you want. When you only have 60 or so better do what you can do well. There is going to be years like last year where we are down some and lose games to better teams. That happens, we will be much better this year and in years to come. Watch and see.
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| RealisticFan
August 17, 2011
7:57:11 AM
Entry #: 3783044
| Commonsense must be the offensive cordinator. He simply dont get the jest of this conversation. Your simple mided offense will work and work well against most teams but not good teams.remember the game a brownstown last year???btown stacks the box and dares you to throw..they dont use a safety! but at that point we have ran all over everyone all year and dont know how to throw and we get stomped. its not rocket science. against better teams you must also be better. plaine and simple.
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| 486
August 17, 2011
10:15:40 AM
Entry #: 3783145
| see response to offense 101 post
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| Dutchman
August 17, 2011
4:57:01 PM
Entry #: 3783567
| Commonsense:
Those four wins you referred to were two years ago. I'd be willing to bet that if you played some of those teams today, we would come away with a big L. Good coaches and good teams do not run the same plays over and over. You adjust your offense and defense according to the talent you have. Check Sagarin Ratings after the season has started and see just where ur team ranks.
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| Shizz
August 17, 2011
6:43:23 PM
Entry #: 3783629
| I have no say in the I-Formation/"flexbone' battle that's goin on....yet...But Since we want to got back in time let's look at sectional Last year when a Mitchell squad faced the Paoli Rams and on everydown they would be in a different formation a team that hardly had won a game went from using a "flexbone" style offense earlier that season against The Rams to a multi-formation attack....I never compare the Brownstown Wing-T to what The Rams flex offense they run because it's like comparing a Rembrant masterpeice to a painting that a local kid's carnival painter psainted...when in Brownstown's arsenal if you just look at last season's game when Eggersmen ran through the Rams they were still at least passing downfield but they did it within the offense it wasn't like what The Rams tried to do last season in which they would run 1,000 times get up by 40 points then throw 5 times to say they threw the ball to make a point to everyone Brownstown would at least use a pass within the first some many downs of their offensive series...the only thing the coordinator has and I said it last season is that he can get by with running it because it's successful to an extent so he can go 9-3 and say "well see it did good we went 9-3" when you type somethin like that to a guy who lives in Alaska and never has a chance to see The Rams live and in person it makes it like it's the most unstoppable force in the universe but you don't tell the faults only the good points which is not being truthful to all who want to know...whoever commonsense3 is if he's the offensive coordinator or not he has to learn that he's he's opened mailbox and the pipebomb is about tready to explode.....
Shiz
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| commonsense3
August 17, 2011
8:23:34 PM
Entry #: 3783686
| Dear shizz, sounds like you don't like the fact you are wrong. Good news in the US it's O.K> you are entitled to your wrong opinion. Just to clear this up I am not on the coaching staff but I do know them well. They all live football for Brain it is his life. There is more football IQ when left when one of our coachs takes a crap. Then what I see on here. Also you keep talking about RJ. like he is the root of all evil. That man is a young hard working coach and does a fine job. Also he is not the only one responsible for our offense so why do you like to pick at him so much? This is place has the feel of a coffee shop full of old men bitching and not a forum who is here to support their team.
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| commonsense3
August 17, 2011
8:42:28 PM
Entry #: 3783699
| Dutchman, If those games were played again 10 times the result would be the same. here is why.
Those teams knew going into that game what we would do and how to stop it. Flex O is not knew and Neither is the solution to stop it. Those teams had tapes of our team and all the info they needed they just did not get it done.
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| commonsense3
August 17, 2011
8:57:59 PM
Entry #: 3783708
| Dear realistic, Simple minded is a strange way to describe an O as intricate as ours. But that does explain alot to me. I now understand that you all just don't see what goes into what we do. I suspect that you sit in the stands and you see the fullback go up the middle and the flanker go into motion and it always looks the same to you. Here is a challange watch the line play and ignore the ball. Everyone seems to assume that because things look the same that they are. Fact is our O is changing their blocking scheme all the time often at the line and even in no huddle. The good thing about our O is what you all hate. It always looks the same and thats the idea. You basically pound the ball 3-4 yards at a time shorten the game, keep the other O on the sideline and then when the are bored to death you break off a long run or pass for a score. I get it you all like flash and dash, but that doesn't win games. Hard work dedication and winning attitude thats what wins games. GO RAMS
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| RealisticFan
August 18, 2011
7:09:28 AM
Entry #: 3783869
| it is for sure not RJ. Wes called the same game. i know where the scheme stems from.and as i had said, as long as you control the line it will work. but when you can't do that, you need to be prepared to do something different. this is where our problem lies.
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| alumni22
August 18, 2011
8:10:14 AM
Entry #: 3783899
| Common, you hit the nail on the mother grabbin head. Football isn't about the big play fancy nancy stuff. That isn't Coach B and I love that about our program. We are hard nosed, bring the pain type of a team. In any program you have disappointing years. Actually, every year that you don't win a state title should be a disaapointment. To me it is a pretty good sign that our program is in a good place when we are disapointed about losing 3 games.
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| Dutchman
August 18, 2011
10:25:32 AM
Entry #: 3783983
| Commonsense-
Go ahead and be happy with wins over powerhouses like Eastern Greene, West Washington, Crawford County, and Salem(not for long). You might want to look at the Sagarin Ratings of all teams in regards to their schedule touchness. I'm sure Coach B is more than happy to beat up on these cupcakes. If it feels good, do it.
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| Ram Player
August 20, 2011
4:32:59 PM
Entry #: 3785197
| Why do people have to be so stupid. In 2009 we played some pretty good teams and look at providence they ran the I and we shut them down with a 5-2 defense. How bout Mater Dei they ran the spread, What happened to them. They got beat by the 5-2 defense. I wish people would know what they are talking about before they post stuff on here that make no sense.
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| commonsense3
August 20, 2011
11:15:13 PM
Entry #: 3785345
| AMEN- don't forget that we shut down b-towns dreaded wing -t with, thats right the 5-2. Pretty good D.
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| Dutchman
August 21, 2011
1:55:52 PM
Entry #: 3785563
| Just a comment: Players on our football team should stick to playing the game and not make comments on this forum. This is nice trash talk for our upcoming games. It's bad enough that fans can get excited and make stupid comments, but for our players to get involved is something else.
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| commonsense3
August 23, 2011
8:40:12 PM
Entry #: 3787259
| easy on the players we are here for them, besides who else would have better insight than someone who's there?
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