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TOPIC: Turning double plays... |
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| Bowen #19
June 24, 2013
1:41:51 PM
Entry #: 4068302
| Last week we had an opportunity to end the game on a double play. I was playing SS and there was a hard hit ball to 2B. The turn was done very smoothly but when I looked to throw to 1B the runner did not move out of the way. Not having any time to adjust I still threw the ball as hard as possible just missing the runners head.
Now, I am not pointing fingers or anything like that. I just want to know what everyone thinks about this on going issue I find. God forbid I hit the guy in the head b/c I'm sure it would have been a big mess. But, the other side of the equation is I think you need to make an attempt at getting out of the way or all bets are off.
Just thought I would bring up some quality discussion from some of the other garbage guys post on here.
Look forward to reading the responses.
Derek Bowen #19
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| Steaner Jr
June 24, 2013
3:42:17 PM
Entry #: 4068338
| You lost me at "The turn was done very smoothly". Was it Liam?
Fake story but a decent thread question.
In my opinion, the runner has a right to the baseline. It is up to the second baseman or SS to change the angle of the throw (usually be slide stepping one direction or the other) to complete the throw to 1st.
If the runner is deliberately changing his running path to get in the way of the throw, that's a different story but in terms of expecting the runner to get out of the base path to give a free sight line to 1st base, I don't that's their responsibility. 2 cents.
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| Tarheel
June 25, 2013
12:31:31 PM
Entry #: 4068705
| I think it depends on the nature of the DP. If the runner is out by steps than I think it is the runners responsibility to avoid the throw after all he is the one potentially being hit. If on the other hand it is going to be a bang, bang play then of course the runner has every right to the baseline. I have even had runners clearly out putting there arms up while on the baseline. I have no doubts that someone will be hit eventually as this type of thing has happened for many years now.
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| TBH™
June 25, 2013
12:37:02 PM
Entry #: 4068710
| Steaner hit the nail on the head. SS or 2nd baseman should make a small adjustment and throw past the runner. If a runner makes a move to run into the throwing lane then they are kind of asking for it.
Third point, it is mens league softball so lets try not to kill each other for a DP and dont get yourself killed trying to break one up.
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| Garbee
June 26, 2013
10:19:52 AM
Entry #: 4069098
| Derek, I was the player running towards 2nd base, from 1st, when you threw the ball through the baserunners path.With no dis-respect, to you or any other infielder, I have always played an "old school" type of ball & try to grind out every play. In my 37 years of slo-pitch, I give my all, in every game, even though my twlight years are fast approaching.Now saying that, a baserunner is legally entitled to the basepath & does not have to exit the throwing lane. It is usually a courtesy, for the baserunner, to veer off & allow the defensive player, the open throwing lane.This may sound really stupid, I have always ran straight up & I know if I get hit it is my own fault. We were down many runs, in our game last week against, your team & it was the last inning. As a baserunner, if there is anything I could do, legally, to prevent a double-play & save a final out & give my team an extra couple of bats/maybe a rally even, I would "take one for the team" If we were up runs, I would veer off or out of the throwing lane.
Again Derek, withn no dis-respect, this is how this "old Dawg" plays.
Thank you.
Mike Garbutt
Jakes
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| Bowen #19
June 26, 2013
1:50:14 PM
Entry #: 4069182
| Buddy, no dis-respect taking my friend. I totally understand your situation. Myself growing up we always we taught to break up DP's as best as we can. The only reason I brought this up was b/c I didn't have a chance to even look up when I threw and I assumed the runner would be off base line, hence I just missed you. I would never deliberately try and hurt you or anyone. 2B is my normal position and when I go to turn I'm always a foot to the side of the bag and it's never a problem. This time it was from SS and when turning the DP it's more difficult to not throw over the bag.
There is no hard feelings, I just wanted to get a discussion going on what the views were with ppl.
All good brother!
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| Garbee
June 26, 2013
2:31:51 PM
Entry #: 4069200
| It`s all good. Have fun.
Garbee
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| Anchor
June 27, 2013
10:57:08 AM
Entry #: 4069420
| This is simple.......If you are the SS or the 2B than throw the ball to first.............If you are the runner get out of the way............next issue.
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| Tarheel
June 27, 2013
1:45:46 PM
Entry #: 4069468
| Couldn't agree more!!
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| Faux
July 2, 2013
4:11:34 PM
Entry #: 4070780
| I agree, get out of the way.
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| jamie b
July 3, 2013
9:21:56 PM
Entry #: 4071047
| I'm pretty sure Bowen knows that the runner has the right to the base path - that's not what he's trying to say here. In my opinion, guys saying they're going to try to "break up the double play" is just silly - especially is you're long out. Get outta the way. Is it worth getting beaned to break up the play? I think not.
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| Hard Express
July 10, 2013
10:20:20 AM
Entry #: 4072341
| No one get hurt if you get out of the way.
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| Steaner Jr
July 10, 2013
12:11:56 PM
Entry #: 4072366
| Burton, you and I both know Derek just wants the runner out of the way so the camera's get his good side.
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| Jim_the_Ump
July 11, 2013
11:17:53 AM
Entry #: 4072656
| Wait?? What?? Derek has a good side??
Hahaha. Just kidding, young fella. Good seing you last night at Crosby, Derek.
Jim_the_Ump
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| Ryno
July 16, 2013
6:20:28 AM
Entry #: 4073921
| You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him. Safety first!
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| Hard Express
July 20, 2013
9:31:50 PM
Entry #: 4075196
| Agreed Ryno.... Safety first.... We are not getting paid for this.
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| Axe me
July 25, 2013
7:45:39 PM
Entry #: 4076824
| The most exciting and difficult play in ball is the double play. Learn how to flip, throw, receive, and complete double plays from both the 2nd base and short stop positions without hurting the runner is the key.
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| CC & Coke
July 30, 2013
5:08:46 PM
Entry #: 4078028
| The most important part of a good DP is the first baseman. That extra stretch and scoop make the difference 9 out of 10 times.
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