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TOPIC: 2016---- questions for the umps |
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| Rev Hero
March 1, 2016
10:40:46 AM
Entry #: 4192587
| Last year, in another league we were playing a game. The other team had 2 guys on base. Batter hits a HR, doesn't need to touch first base ( league rule ) but he goes down to do so anyways while carrying the bat. Touches first base with bat in hand and ump calls him out. Call stands as an out for the batter but the the home run counts and the 2 on base score. So instead of a 3 run HR it's a 2 run HR with an out. Doesn't make sense to me. He should be out and the 2 runners should stay on base as is the case when a team is at max HR and they hit one it's an out and anyone on base stays put. Is the bat in hand rule a reality?
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| David W
March 1, 2016
11:20:55 AM
Entry #: 4192590
| The ump got the call correct. 2 Runners score and the batter is out for touching 1B with the bat. The batter also owes the team.
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| Faux
March 1, 2016
2:33:12 PM
Entry #: 4192612
| What is with this dumb rule?
Who cares if you have the bat in you hand, it is better than throwing it and Potentially hurting someone.
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| Ethos71
March 2, 2016
8:18:14 AM
Entry #: 4192637
| If a league allows walk offs, then the play is dead when the ball leaves the park. If I was a ump I would never call a base runner out for leaving the base path when he walks to the bench on a walk off HR, so why enforce a bat rule when the play is dead? I would have called it a 3 run HR. I think he took his job too seriously. I'd be interested to hear how our umps would have called this.
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| DAVID M
March 2, 2016
8:09:52 PM
Entry #: 4192690
| number 1 we don't have walk off home runs in our league so the batter must run out the home run, in my 28 yrs of umpiring in the uspl I think I have made that call once during this time period' I really believe this is a non issue since it is rarely called
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| Labtech
March 3, 2016
10:12:07 AM
Entry #: 4192705
| That's a pretty stickler call in my books, but I understand the call. It's kind of the same as if the batter ran the bases and then touched home plate - it's a HR, the 2 runs ahead of him score and count, then he's out for stepping on the plate.
It's kind of the batters fault as well, cuz if you're told to walk off then just walk off. Why chance it by going to first, and while still holding the bat?
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| Moulton
March 3, 2016
5:40:14 PM
Entry #: 4192737
| What about the jewelry rule?
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| David W
March 3, 2016
8:01:59 PM
Entry #: 4192744
| I believe that all associations don't have jewelery rules anymore. Pretty sure that's been the case for 3 to 4 years.
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| Tigereye
March 4, 2016
5:25:39 AM
Entry #: 4192759
| Simple the ump blew it... The play is dead on a walk off HR...
I'm actually pretty sure there is in fact no rule (at least in SPO) that in fact says you can't carry the bat and touch first anymore.
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| JAG28
March 4, 2016
11:47:23 AM
Entry #: 4192781
| Surprise there is a rule book and since our league is SPN. Lots of good stuff for you wantabe umpires.
http://www.slopitch.com/sites/slopitch.com/files/PDFs/201420Rulebook_Web.pdf
SPN Rule Book
Page 31. Section 4J
A batter baserunner is OUT if:
K. If he carries the bat and legally reaches or touches first base with the bat still in his hand.
Page 42 Sec. 3 THE BALL IS DEAD AND NOT IN PLAY:
“there is no reference to “walk off HR” – therefore ball is NOT dead.
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| JAG28
March 4, 2016
12:48:18 PM
Entry #: 4192783
| Hey Moulton, get out the bling - show off those rings wherever they are attached to your body.
As of March 10, 2014: JEWELLERY: The jewellery rule has been removed. Jewellery may be worn (as per SPN rules).
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| Matches
March 5, 2016
5:01:50 PM
Entry #: 4192847
| Good news, now I can wear my earring.
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| Eau55
March 7, 2016
12:47:12 AM
Entry #: 4192927
| loving the ask the umpire section - where do people dream up these questions? Superb, laughing my head off at many of the answers
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| Larry))
March 9, 2016
1:34:19 PM
Entry #: 4193124
| Thanks a lot for this ! My dad and I used to go through the stump the ump series in the baseball digest and try to see if either of us would get it right. Great resource, makes me consider studying up and try to officiate some USPL games.
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| Jackman
March 9, 2016
10:27:11 PM
Entry #: 4193173
| Had a a teammate ask about this. They played a game and a runner on 3rd with a big righty up started 2 steps behind 3rd base (towards outfield fence). Didn't take a running start or anything. So if anything it's a disadvantage. Asked me if it was allowed, as the umpire had allowed it. My understanding was that the runner was supposed to maintain contact with the bag.... But I'd never really heard of this before. Is it allowed or just something the ump didn't notice/know.
I wasn't there to hear the explanation so who knows.
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| Hard Express
March 10, 2016
6:22:42 PM
Entry #: 4193222
| You have to be in contact with the bag until the ball crosses the plate, which is very subjective.
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| JAG28
March 11, 2016
10:33:41 AM
Entry #: 4193254
| There are of course some “unique slopitch” rules the other rules are common sense and written to provide safety, fair play and equal opportunity to score and/or play defence.
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| Purelife
March 12, 2016
2:08:15 PM
Entry #: 4193319
| Someone please explain the black part of the mat rule.... Is it a strike or not?
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| Carson
March 13, 2016
6:23:00 PM
Entry #: 4193396
| It is up to the umpire, some say strike others say ball.
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| JAG28
March 14, 2016
10:05:03 AM
Entry #: 4193424
| Like i said "common sense".
If you pick up the mat and walk away the black is still part of the mat.
Therefore strike if it hits the black - cause it hit the mat.
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| Birkey
March 15, 2016
7:03:49 PM
Entry #: 4193548
| It just needs to be interpreted accurately.
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| Larry))
March 16, 2016
11:53:01 PM
Entry #: 4193619
| This is a simple one, but when scoring a run the at home - are you safe when crossing the line or touching the ground past the line?
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| Bigelow
March 17, 2016
9:15:59 PM
Entry #: 4193684
| So you physically have to touch the ground passed the line in order be safe.
So if for some reason there was a bat in the way and someone jumped wildly over the line and didn't land for about 5 or 6 feet, it would be when contact with the ground is made.
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| Blumpkin
March 18, 2016
4:24:23 PM
Entry #: 4193732
| NO sliding is allowed at home plate.
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| Hard Express
March 18, 2016
6:52:21 PM
Entry #: 4193743
| This is another one of the rules that has been different depending on what association you are playing. At one point 3 years ago the rule was different in all 3 associations. IN SPN you just had to touch the line. IN SPO you were safe if any part of your foot was over the line not just touching it. In NSA your foot had to totally cross the line.
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| Peatsum
March 19, 2016
12:00:54 PM
Entry #: 4193760
| Definitely one of those rules that doesn't make sense to be different between the 3 associations. It should be like any other base where if you TOUCH the line or beyond before the ball you score.
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| uarms
March 20, 2016
11:18:12 PM
Entry #: 4193855
| I dont know why they just dont get the bags that light up when you step on them like they do with the kids ball...make an umps job way easier to look for a blinking bag....hahahaha
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| JAG28
March 21, 2016
12:40:56 PM
Entry #: 4193890
| Uarms - i think you've come up with something for the bags. Can we also incorporate into a "blinking" ball.
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| Network Man
March 22, 2016
2:16:38 PM
Entry #: 4193974
| Well, ended our curling season on a high note. Bring on slo-pitch.
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| Guy Smiley
March 23, 2016
7:50:37 PM
Entry #: 4194073
| The following happened in our end of year playoff tournament a few years back. Swinging bunt going down 3rd baseline. pitcher runs over to field ball, but looks as though it will go foul and decides to let it go. However, while doing so he purposely drags his foot in front of the ball making a slight trench toward foul territory. His foot did not directly touch the ball, but was extremely close and it was difficult to tell if the ball was already foul or not. The ball ended up rolling foul, but was immediately called fair by umpire.
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| Birkey
March 24, 2016
9:38:45 AM
Entry #: 4194104
| Sounds logical. I say yes, right call, with absolutely no rule for it.
A intelligent pitcher which is rare.
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| Duchy
March 25, 2016
4:35:33 PM
Entry #: 4194192
| unsportsmanlike conduct,
-2 minutes of shooting box
-fair ball
-bush league attempt to cheat a weak hit
correct call
he got busted
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| Bud Wiser
March 27, 2016
10:36:38 AM
Entry #: 4194260
| Happy Easter all.
It's tough to determine if the pitcher "intentionally" trenched the dirt with a swiping move of his foot, BUT(before everyone starts yelling) If it appeared to me that there was intent to disrupt or direct the ball, I would call the ball fair.
If however the pitcher dragged his toe across the balls path while running and it did not appear to be intentional I would call it foul.
I think it pretty much depends on what the umpire feels is or is not intentional.
Very tough call without actually seeing the play.
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| uarms
March 28, 2016
12:32:32 PM
Entry #: 4194287
| I am not knowledgeable enough to answer but i hope it's called fair. Pretty unsportsmanlike.
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| Knight
March 30, 2016
6:10:37 AM
Entry #: 4194422
| A foul ball is not by the definition a dead ball and the out of play area would refer to out of the field of play, example the fielder is running in to catch a fly ball but can't quite get to it so he kicks it out of play.
This rule was not intended for this situation purely based on wording and my guess is if you protest based on that rule, you go home short some cash.
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| Guy Smiley
March 30, 2016
5:54:28 PM
Entry #: 4194467
| This is a great question and another instance where of course you will not find a specific defined rule. Very subjective to say the least.
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| Duchy
April 1, 2016
3:43:45 PM
Entry #: 4194574
| breaking news.................all bats are legal.....no wood allowed
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| JAG28
April 1, 2016
4:15:48 PM
Entry #: 4194576
| April Fools
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| Purelife
April 3, 2016
11:49:46 AM
Entry #: 4194631
| How about this Scenario?
Down 1 bottom of 6th extra innings. Runner is on his way home. Throw is off. Catcher tags the runner. Ump calls him out. He starts to walk off... people say your not allowed to tag in that zone.. catcher then walks over and touches plate.
What is the call ?
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| JAG28
April 4, 2016
11:06:47 AM
Entry #: 4194682
| People are wrong - why we have umpires.
SPN Rule 3 Sec. 78 A player may be tagged between the “Commitment Line” and the “Scoring Line”.
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| Guy Smiley
April 5, 2016
9:58:15 AM
Entry #: 4194766
| You may be incorrect Jag. Can one of the umps respond ?
I was told you can't tag anyone on the way home.
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| DAVID M
April 5, 2016
10:39:13 AM
Entry #: 4194773
| In our league there is no tagging between the commit line and the scoring line, everything is a force play at the plate, however you can tag a runner between 3rd base and and the commit line
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| Yarbs22
April 6, 2016
10:03:46 PM
Entry #: 4194905
| can you slide at any base
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| JAG28
April 7, 2016
9:42:59 AM
Entry #: 4194925
| The league can have it's "own rules". Such as tagging in commit area or hit to grass in Masters league you cannot throw runner out at first.
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| xamer
April 9, 2016
1:59:57 PM
Entry #: 4195042
| No sliding at home
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| daump
April 10, 2016
4:02:05 PM
Entry #: 4195083
| When you slide you can hurt yourself.... Hence the reason not to slide.
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| JAG28
April 11, 2016
10:51:26 AM
Entry #: 4195126
| if you're stupid enought to slide and hurt yourself too bad.
i think it's more for the protection of the catcher who is watching for the ball and could be wiped out by someone sliding into him. Same as safety bag at first which is for the 1st baseman's protection and ankles.
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| Faux
April 13, 2016
7:20:45 PM
Entry #: 4195339
| Sliding is never "stupid". It is probably more safer than trying to stop on a dime at second or third. Give your head a shake buddy. It may also get you out of the way of a ball.
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| Birkey
April 13, 2016
10:25:31 PM
Entry #: 4195350
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Over throw error
How about this? Older man on 2nd, no one else on base. Ground ball hit to short stop, the man on 2nd doesn't move from the bag at all, and the ball is over thrown at first and goes out of play. Umpire awards 3rd and home to the man from second.
I know the rule is, the base you are going to plus one bag for an overthrow. But my argument was since the runner made zero attempt to move from 2nd to 3rd, should he be awarded home. He was not attempting "to go" to the next base.
Is the umpire correct?
Thanks guys.
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| JAG28
April 14, 2016
11:47:05 AM
Entry #: 4195383
| Faux, give your head a shake – may help your eyesight.
Situation was about sliding at home (not other bases) Rule is still no sliding at home.
If you feel more comfortable sliding into other bases go ahead.
Birkey, what if it was a “young” guy running at second – you should ask the ump does the same rule apply - that the "young" runner gets + 2 bases on the overthrow?
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| Bigelow
April 16, 2016
11:12:16 AM
Entry #: 4195468
| Runner on first, I'm playing 1 bag, lefty up to bat. I move up 3 ft behind the base line and a couple feet to the right of first. Ball is hit, I charge the ball to make the play. Ball hits my glove as I'm hit by the runner. (I'm not going to lie it was my intention to make the play on the baseline in front of the runner to get the interference call, or make him avoid having time for a swipe tag). It was a bang bang play and I couldn't hold on to the ball while being hit. I say to the ump I need to be able to make a play on the ball, that's runner interference. He says the runner has the right of way. Correct?
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| Hard Express
April 20, 2016
9:49:39 AM
Entry #: 4195715
| Bad call.
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