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TOPIC: playoff format |
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| MBA89
May 30, 2016
9:42:48 AM
Entry #: 4198791
| A little birdie told me the playoff format is changing in 2017.... WHY
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| Bud Wiser
May 30, 2016
1:09:38 PM
Entry #: 4198808
| The double knockout is perfect.
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| Sensrule
May 30, 2016
4:38:36 PM
Entry #: 4198817
| to change it back would be in a word............STUPID!
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| Ryno
May 30, 2016
5:46:07 PM
Entry #: 4198824
| No reason to change.... We have the same format for a few years now.... It has been very successful
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| Chicken Soup
May 31, 2016
6:33:47 AM
Entry #: 4198850
| Change simply for the sake of change is an abdication of leadership.
Effective leaders change things when they are not achieving their goals to make it to Sunday. Or when they see a way to get there more quickly, effectively, and efficiently.
This means that before suggesting changes, a team rep should take the time to see what’s working and what’s not, to assess changes in the competitive landscape, to assess changes in the league and to review other factors that would indicate that a change is necessary.
Don't fix what is not broken. The double knockout is really the only way to go.
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| Matches
May 31, 2016
2:55:50 PM
Entry #: 4198898
| Why change?????
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| Jets6400
June 1, 2016
11:27:53 AM
Entry #: 4198966
| My team has not played on Sunday in years, but I strongly believe that a DK (double knockout) is the best and only way for a fair playoff structure.
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| Steaner Jr
June 1, 2016
5:10:55 PM
Entry #: 4198999
| Totally agree that the Double Knockout format has been a huge success! Have only one issue with the format and that is having to beat the undefeated team twice in a final (Recent bias clearly a factor).
I'm not sure what the solution can be as I understand that the undefeated team should be allowed the same opportunity to lose as everyone has been given.... BUT it makes for a real long day for that team that gets knocked to the bottom and has to play 5,6 games on Sunday as we did.
I guess the answer is... Don't lose!
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| Harry Package
June 1, 2016
10:10:03 PM
Entry #: 4199033
| No reason all those games had to happen in one day, back-back-back like that Steaner. Not sure why the Masters and Conny wrap up on Saturday, seems to me all the games could be spread out a little better... !
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| Houghts
June 2, 2016
7:38:55 AM
Entry #: 4199049
| agree with Harry - another tweak that would help is gaining some benefit from winning your first game. this was brought up at the AGM, not sure if it being addressed
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| tuck00
June 2, 2016
10:58:12 AM
Entry #: 4199066
| It permits each team the identical chance to win. I like the fact that the regular season governs the seeds. Playing 25 games should amount to something.
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| Local 1134
June 3, 2016
12:10:52 AM
Entry #: 4199121
| I like the idea of a season-ending double knockout tournament. i have played in other leagues with round robin, what a waste of time.
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| Guy Smiley
June 4, 2016
4:07:15 PM
Entry #: 4199196
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If you constantly change your to-do list, route to work, lane on the highway, or line at the supermarket, you probably know that at some point you're just spinning your wheels. Have an end goal in mind whenever you make a change to at ensure progress. So the playoff structure has been exceptional for three or four years now. No changes are required.
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| MI5
June 5, 2016
3:37:08 PM
Entry #: 4199263
| My vote is to keep it as the double knockout.
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| Rev Hero
June 6, 2016
11:07:02 AM
Entry #: 4199365
| I can second that vote.
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| Bigelow
June 6, 2016
5:53:00 PM
Entry #: 4199418
| Someone above wrote it accurately. " A waste of time"
The teams that lose are not in favor, really? If you lose the first two in round robin you are also done. So play a useless game three for what? Watching grass grow would be more exciting.
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| Anchor
June 7, 2016
9:04:19 AM
Entry #: 4199459
| I also would vote for the double.
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| Rassie
June 7, 2016
6:27:23 PM
Entry #: 4199496
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The primary disadvantage to a round robin tournament is the time needed to complete it. As stated before by others, some game are totally irrelevant because teams already in or out after a few games.
Another con is that there is a high probability that many teams will end up in tied points after round robin. This situation can be handled with a tie-break game or so that the game between those teams that are tied will make the difference. However, also in this latter case there is a possibility that tiebreaks are needed because three or more teams can end up in the same points. A run or two my make the difference. How about a coin flip, ridiculous.
The double knockout is straight forward, win and stay, lose and you are out. No luck required.
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| Moulton
June 8, 2016
11:09:22 AM
Entry #: 4199542
| Great points. Keep it the same as last year.
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| Carson
June 8, 2016
1:31:44 PM
Entry #: 4199562
| Make it a double and keep it as a double.
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| Harry Package
June 8, 2016
7:05:44 PM
Entry #: 4199585
| I'd agree, I prefer a Double Knock over Pool Play as a Playoff format.
Perhaps a tweak is due to mirror the more recent version of a standard Baseball Double Knocout Bracket. Brackets have evolved and we have not. Championship games are now one game showdowns and the long succession of game after game without leaving the diamond like Tar last year has also been addressed in the new formats.
I'd ask the USPL leadership to check out the 2016 Big 10 Championship Bracket format as well as the 2016 NAIA Baseball Championship Bracket. I believe either version would be an upgrade.
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| Knight
June 10, 2016
6:10:29 AM
Entry #: 4199681
| Great suggestion, in my humble opinion, it is easy to schedule another championship game between the final.
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| Duchy
June 12, 2016
5:33:19 PM
Entry #: 4199812
| Preview of the final game on Monday night.
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| CantHit10
June 13, 2016
11:33:31 AM
Entry #: 4199884
| Keep the current system. The best teams win, the other is garbage and a s$&t show.
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| Anchor
June 13, 2016
7:00:48 PM
Entry #: 4199915
| I would vote for the double.
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| Bigpappi
June 14, 2016
2:24:28 PM
Entry #: 4200000
| You also got my vote.
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| Eau55
June 15, 2016
4:46:08 PM
Entry #: 4200115
| I play in the older division and I'll tell you for my personal perspective double knockout he's always the best way to go.
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| Sensrule
June 16, 2016
3:11:47 PM
Entry #: 4200193
| Double is the way to go.
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| MBA89
June 18, 2016
11:42:28 PM
Entry #: 4200338
| The people have spoken, looks like the current format is the best
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| Rev Hero
June 19, 2016
7:33:20 PM
Entry #: 4200383
| No more chirping about another format.
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| Bigelow
June 20, 2016
5:19:11 PM
Entry #: 4200474
| Shut it down.
Double knoutouknockout forever!
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| CantHit10
June 22, 2016
2:15:58 AM
Entry #: 4200588
| zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Good night all. No more round robin chatter.
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| JAG28
June 23, 2016
2:09:18 PM
Entry #: 4200762
| Can we get back to discussing the HR + 2 Rule?
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| MBA89
June 24, 2016
12:01:23 PM
Entry #: 4200838
| The playoff plan was a discussion/consideration. the results were unanimous with a suggestion of a trivial tweak for the Sunday schedule. So we should not debate it any more.
The HR rule never garnered such prodigious backing, hence the ongoing chatter.
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| tuck00
June 27, 2016
2:10:08 PM
Entry #: 4201063
| this is the end of discussion on this subject
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| daump
June 28, 2016
1:42:36 PM
Entry #: 4201167
| Put a fork in it.
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| Ethos71
July 3, 2016
7:47:05 PM
Entry #: 4201573
| Last post on this topic.
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| Ari Stottlemyre
July 4, 2016
10:10:58 AM
Entry #: 4201593
| "He who must speak the last word in an argument will quickly find himself amidst an audience of one. Then he can finally let that fart rip."
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| Chicken Soup
July 6, 2016
3:30:45 PM
Entry #: 4201790
| I said it accurately back in May
May 31, 2016
6:33:47 AM
Entry #: 4198850
Change simply for the sake of change is an abdication of leadership.
Effective leaders change things when they are not achieving their goals to make it to Sunday. Or when they see a way to get there more quickly, effectively, and efficiently.
This means that before suggesting changes, a team rep should take the time to see what’s working and what’s not, to assess changes in the competitive landscape, to assess changes in the league and to review other factors that would indicate that a change is necessary.
Don't fix what is not broken. The double knockout is really the only way to go.
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