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| shesh
July 13, 2009
10:13:38 AM
Entry #: 3213047
| Didn't some of you guys play for Mr. Dennehy? Or was JCFC born there? Anyway, interesting article about a tournament in NY.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/article?a=401970&f=22
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| PG
July 13, 2009
11:14:17 AM
Entry #: 3213115
| Sean Gibson can fill you in on the history of Mr. Dennehy's
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| LarryK
July 13, 2009
11:35:36 AM
Entry #: 3213152
| Can't read it...can you cut and paste onto the forum ?
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| juanhaldino
July 13, 2009
3:42:17 PM
Entry #: 3213493
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a number of the lads who play for Dennehy's played with JCFC when JCFC was in the cosmo league.
seanie (i think) set up the summer league team in 03 i think, and that team had a number of JCFC 1st and 2nd team regulars plus ohters by the second summer league season, that team would be the bulk of dennehy'sthey played the pier 40 leagueand now back at the cosmo league in fact if you guys drive by ferris on a sunday afternoonin the spring and summer, they play thier home games at Ferris at 12noon. (they had a blog but seems to be down probably because the Fallon's moved away)
as PG said, i'm sure Seanie can fill in all the gaps.
By SIMON AKAM
Published: July 13, 2009
An international summit meeting convened recently in Manhattan with delegates from countries including France, Jamaica and the United States.
After a good start, the negotiations, as so often happens, soon got bogged down. The main sticking point was how to define national identity.
Ireland and Greece formed an unlikely partnership, pushing for tight regulation, while the Ghanaian delegate advocated a more laissez-faire approach.
Eventually, the man who had called the meeting appealed for calm. "We get into these very small issues that deal with very big issues," said Spencer Dormitzer, 41. "We need to keep it loose."
The location of the talks - the subterranean bar at Mr. Dennehy's Irish pub on Carmine Street in Greenwich Village - made it clear that the delegates were not diplomats discussing weighty international matters.
But the main topic was certainly one that provokes passion across much of the globe: soccer.
The meeting was an effort to hash out the rules for the inaugural Copa N.Y.C., a tournament modeled on the World Cup that will involve 16 teams, each representing a different international community in the city.
The event is the brainchild of two men, Mr. Dormitzer and Chris Noble, who met while Mr. Noble was working for an advertising agency, Wieden & Kennedy, on a series of short films about soccer in New York. Mr. Dormitzer, who has with a thorough knowledge of New York's soccer landscape gained from many years of playing the game throughout the city, was a consultant on the project.
They decided to organize a tournament as a response to the way they saw the game played in New York: with enthusiasm and skill, but all too often with little interaction between its diverse communities.
"There's a great deal of segregation in the game in New York," Mr. Noble said.
By SIMON AKAM
Published: July 13, 2009
An international summit meeting convened recently in Manhattan with delegates from countries including France, Jamaica and the United States.
After a good start, the negotiations, as so often happens, soon got bogged down. The main sticking point was how to define national identity.
Ireland and Greece formed an unlikely partnership, pushing for tight regulation, while the Ghanaian delegate advocated a more laissez-faire approach.
Eventually, the man who had called the meeting appealed for calm. "We get into these very small issues that deal with very big issues," said Spencer Dormitzer, 41. "We need to keep it loose."
The location of the talks - the subterranean bar at Mr. Dennehy's Irish pub on Carmine Street in Greenwich Village - made it clear that the delegates were not diplomats discussing weighty international matters.
But the main topic was certainly one that provokes passion across much of the globe: soccer.
The meeting was an effort to hash out the rules for the inaugural Copa N.Y.C., a tournament modeled on the World Cup that will involve 16 teams, each representing a different international community in the city.
The event is the brainchild of two men, Mr. Dormitzer and Chris Noble, who met while Mr. Noble was working for an advertising agency, Wieden & Kennedy, on a series of short films about soccer in New York. Mr. Dormitzer, who has with a thorough knowledge of New York's soccer landscape gained from many years of playing the game throughout the city, was a consultant on the project.
They decided to organize a tournament as a response to the way they saw the game played in New York: with enthusiasm and skill, but all too often with little interaction between its diverse communities.
"There's a great deal of segregation in the game in New York," Mr. Noble said.
The name Copa N.Y.C. is a nod to well-known Spanish-titled soccer competitions, like the Copa América, and the format mirrors that of the World Cup, a quadrennial tournament to be held next year in South Africa.
Mr. Dormitzer and Mr. Noble, who hope to make theirs an annual tournament, ran into bureaucratic hurdles when they tried to hold the first tournament last year. Those issues were resolved, and the tournament will begin this summer.
The first round is being played at Flushing Meadows-Corona Park in Queens on July 25 and 26. The 16 entrants are divided into four groups. Semifinals and finals are scheduled for Aug. 1 and 2 at the Metropolitan Oval in Maspeth, Queens.
Each team is allowed a squad of 25 players, five of whom are excused from the nationality requirements. That concession was created, organizers say, to allow teams to field a professional or a celebrity if they wish and to give team presidents more leeway.
Some major soccer countries - including Argentina, England and France - are represented, but others, like Italy and Germany, are not.
"Twenty-four would be too much to do in our first year," Mr. Dormitzer explained. "I knew I could get 16 quality national sides."
Pretournament preparations by several of the teams revealed the different roles that soccer plays across New York's ethnic mosaic.
On a recent Sunday, Boca Juniors, an amateur team that shares its name with a celebrated Buenos Aires professional team and will represent Argentina in Copa N.Y.C., headed to Flushing Meadows for a game.
Standing under an overpass of the Van Wyck Expressway, the players explained that soccer bound their expatriate community together.
"We play a soccer game, we make a barbecue - it's called asado - we listen to our music," said Dean Burgoa, a 37-year-old originally from the Argentine town of Mendoza.
While some team members sipped gourds of bitter mate tea before the match, fans unfurled blue and gold flags and pounded drums.
However, even among the Argentines, New York's diversity trumped nationalistic pride. Gustavo Villalba, the team's president, admitted that his players included Colombians and an Ecuadorean.
A few days earlier, the Trinidad and Tobago and England teams were also going through their paces.
On Prospect Park's Parade Ground fields in Brooklyn, the Trinidad and Tobago coach, Alpheus Blackman, put his players through a rigorous series of drills as thunderheads massed overhead. Mr. Blackman said that in the run-up to the tournament, the team would train three times a week at 5 a.m., to accommodate schedules.
"I expect one of the best showings that we could ever put together as a Trinidad team," he told his charges. "I'm not going to be casual about it."
Matters were rather more casual in the England camp on the damp AstroTurf on the roof of Pier 40 on Manhattan's West Side.
Beneath the floodlights, some of the players wore replicas of the shirts worn by English professional teams like Arsenal and West Bromwich Albion. But there was no mention of dawn training.
Anatol Yusef, an actor and the team's co-manager, said that for many Englishmen in New York, soccer was a way to socialize, rather than to strengthen old ties.
"Football for the Mexicans, the Greeks, it's a way for everyone to get together," he said, using the British term for the game. "The English play football to mix."
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| LarryK
July 13, 2009
4:16:15 PM
Entry #: 3213535
| Who is PG again
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| juanhaldino
July 13, 2009
7:51:28 PM
Entry #: 3213784
| i'm guessing pete the goalie?
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| PG
July 14, 2009
11:43:55 AM
Entry #: 3214505
| Correct Juan
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| SeanG
July 14, 2009
4:35:50 PM
Entry #: 3214954
| The history of JCFC and Mr. Dennehy’s FC (the years are a bit of a blur but I think I have them correct)…………….
At the end of the first JCFC season I organized the year 2000 JCFC summer league team.
We continued the summer league team tradition in 2001, 2002 and 2003 and always found plenty of new players who wanted to play in the JCFC Cosmo league team in the fall season.
By the summer of 2004 we entered the summer league not as JCFC but as MDFC (Mr. Dennehy’s Football Club) as by then we often went for beers at Mr. Dennehy’s bar in the west village after games.
Ronan Gardiner who helped me run the team lived near the Dennehy’s bar and most of the summer league players lived in the city. He now runs the Mr. Dennehy’s team.
At the end of the 2005 summer league season the majority of the MDFC team elected not to re-sign with JCFC for the fall season.
Wanting to avoid perceived lengthy trips into NJ to play in the Garden State league Mr. Dennehy’s FC entered a new Metro Soccer league in New York City. The following season Mr. Dennehy’s went back to the Cosmopolitan league.
At the same time the JCFC 2005 season in the Garden State League was a difficult one and the team went through somewhat of a makeover and was re-launched a year later with Juan and Angry and BFM setting up the current over 30’s team.
Sean.
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| shesh
July 15, 2009
9:09:46 AM
Entry #: 3215614
| Interesting stuff Seanie. You should write a little history on JCFC and have it posted on the website's new "history" section.
Cheers.
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| Angry
July 15, 2009
9:36:37 AM
Entry #: 3215640
| Nice one Seanie.....but you forgot to tell 'em you were one of the defectors that went to Mr. Dennehys:)
The ironic thing is they now play their home games in Ferris (usually at noon) during the fall/spring. Anyway we'll be playing them on the 15th of August so we should have some fun.
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| juanhaldino
July 15, 2009
5:05:11 PM
Entry #: 3216262
| and... we need a field for the 15th of august...
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