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TOPIC: Runner Stealing Home |
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| Bill (From Kenda)
April 22, 2012
4:34:29 PM
Entry #: 3901157
| Runner on 3rd, stealing home. Batter hits a blooper about 15 feet toward the pitcher with lots of back spin. Runner slides into home plate with her feet clearly across home plate at the time the ball rolls back and hits her in her left side or arm, which are in fair territory. What's the call?
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| Greg
April 22, 2012
10:20:38 PM
Entry #: 3901359
| Interference. Runner should be out.
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| Nov
April 23, 2012
1:45:23 AM
Entry #: 3901443
| i don't see interference here. this is not a case of a runner scoring by running through the plate then entering fair ground and blocking the ball. i would equate it to a batted ball rolling back into a bat that was dropped and is stationary.
having said that, i didn't go to the book and could understand greg's thinking, so... i could be wrong! who has the rule to apply? great scenario!
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| Ron C.
April 23, 2012
7:00:18 PM
Entry #: 3902055
| Run scores, and the ball remains live. My poorly educated guess.
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| neal
April 23, 2012
8:54:51 PM
Entry #: 3902118
| ok, i have posted this on another website and i think you got them stumped also. I think this is a wonderful example as you can apply a few different rules and not one really applies. So i would have to go with leave the play alone, runner scores and ball is in play.
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| Allan
April 24, 2012
6:51:21 PM
Entry #: 3902876
| Run scores. Then the runner is hit with a fair batted ball. That has to be interference. The ball is dead and there has to be an out!
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| Neal
April 25, 2012
11:32:59 AM
Entry #: 3903284
| Thinking about this more and i would have to agree with Allan. Runner on 3rd scores. Then you have interference. Then the runner closest to home is out.
But here is the question which i am not sure about. The runner is sliding into home and she is on home plate when she touches the ball. So is this interference or is it just a dead ball and the batter gets first base and runners advance if forced. Help! i am pulling my hair out on this one. THANKS KENDRA
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| Dave
April 26, 2012
5:21:27 PM
Entry #: 3904299
| Run has to score. Then treat it like an on deck batter interference.
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| Bill
April 28, 2012
10:24:40 AM
Entry #: 3905111
| RULE 8 – SECTION 7P AND EFFECT.
RULING: Runner scores. Runner interferes. Ball is dead. Runner closet to home plate is out (in this instance, the batter would be out).
EXPLANATION: Again, runner slides home safely and scores. Home plate is never “occupied,” you score and that’s it. So the point about being in contact with home plate at the time of the interference has no bearing. The next part of the play, the runner that just scored interferes with a fair batted ball treat it as a runner that scored, and has now interfered with a defensive player’s opportunity to make a play on another runner (just like on deck batter interference, or retired runner interference). With the interference, the ball is dead and the runner closest to home plate would also be out. Again, for this play, it would be the batter-runner.
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| Richard
April 28, 2012
4:07:44 PM
Entry #: 3905200
| Stumped me a good one on this one. I would have thought that the ball would remain live for some reason, but the ruling and your explanation make it clear. Challenging!
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| Allan
April 29, 2012
10:44:38 AM
Entry #: 3905444
| Wow! What a brain-teaser!
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| Nov
April 29, 2012
1:05:03 PM
Entry #: 3905474
| great explanation Bill. the part that threw me was addressed by your point that a runner does not occupy home plate. i was treating that as giving her immunity. so in the end, it's a simple interference call by a runner already scored. thanks to Kenda for submitting this one.
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| Mark W.
April 30, 2012
1:19:28 PM
Entry #: 3906298
| Excellent play! Thanks for posting! Really makes you think.
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| Mike
April 30, 2012
10:07:59 PM
Entry #: 3906729
| Normally I don't like to talk about plays that "never happen." But this play really makes you think. Discussions like this can help you to improve your "on-field" processing.
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| Perry
May 6, 2012
7:00:06 PM
Entry #: 3910163
| Really made my "hamster" work overtime on this one! This is a really good play to talk about, because it brings the elements of several rules into play at the same time.
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| john
May 15, 2012
5:43:38 PM
Entry #: 3916235
| this play really happened. i was the base ump for this brain teaser.
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| Bill
May 15, 2012
9:50:18 PM
Entry #: 3916368
| I know that Kenda told me that somebody had asked her about it, but she never mentioned who, or if it was a real play. Please tell us how you ruled at the time, or at least the different rule scenarios that went through your mind.
Thanks.
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| jim
June 13, 2012
4:51:18 PM
Entry #: 3931961
| was there a fielder making a play, are hey condidered on a base if touching home and not passing it?
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| Bob
June 14, 2012
12:40:48 PM
Entry #: 3932382
| Scroll up and read the ruling, Jim.
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| jack
July 6, 2012
11:06:14 AM
Entry #: 3942171
| what about rule 8, section 7, subsection k, batter runner is awarded 1st base, see notes on page 94. your play does not say that they intefered with a defensive players opportunity to make a play, which would then make for the batter runner to be out.
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| Bob
July 6, 2012
9:52:45 PM
Entry #: 3942431
| You're reading way too much into it, Jack. She interferred with a fair batted ball, period. Since you're reading "between the lines," then assume this: the catcher was present and within the northern hemisphere boundaries.
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| jack
July 11, 2012
4:31:57 PM
Entry #: 3944862
| please define "base", not the physical description but it's meaning, read rule 8, section 8, m, before you poo poo, what is a four base award, does it include home plate?
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| Bob
July 12, 2012
5:47:03 PM
Entry #: 3945739
| Read the RULING ABOVE, then maybe you'll see.
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| Mike
July 12, 2012
10:23:52 PM
Entry #: 3945850
| You're making a mountain out of a mole hill, Jack. As a matter of fact, I'm not even sure what you're really talking about (including two others that asked to take a look). Just read Bill's explanation.
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| john
September 2, 2012
9:52:43 AM
Entry #: 3970929
| being the base ump on this play, from my point of view i couldn't tell if the ball was fair or foul when it made contact. also i did not know if the runner had touched the plate before or after the ball contact. we discussed if the runner was hit by the fair batted ball before the touching of home. plate ump ruled fair ball, live, runner safe at home.
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| Bob
September 2, 2012
1:56:24 PM
Entry #: 3971018
| Read the opening post! Kenda, through Bill, tells you all that you need to know! Or at least the way in which the question was posed to her.
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| Neal
October 8, 2013
11:40:45 AM
Entry #: 4096287
| Had a similiar play like this happen to me this weekend. Really looks wierd when it happens. But it can happen
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| Perry
October 8, 2013
3:00:12 PM
Entry #: 4096358
| Let's hear the details, Neal. I want the whole meal! Not just a bite!
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| neal
October 9, 2013
9:52:35 AM
Entry #: 4096513
| My play was runner on third and 2 outs. Batter hits the ball off of the plate with back spin. Runner runs home and the back foot of the runner hits the ball in fair territory as the other foot was touching home.
Not to exciting Perry, but very similiar to the example
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| Allan Weisberg
October 10, 2013
4:54:04 PM
Entry #: 4096847
| I guess I have a different perspective on this, runner from third out, batter awarded first base. Same as a ground ball if runner was running home and got hit with a ground ball in fair territory.
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| Perry
October 11, 2013
8:42:56 AM
Entry #: 4096936
| Allan: Once you score, YOU SCORE. And your run can't be taken away.
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