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| Bill (from Hank)
October 3, 2012
6:42:05 PM
Entry #: 3988675
| INTERNATIONAL TIE-BREAKER RULE (ITB).
Takes effect in the top of the eighth in A.S.A., and takes effect in the top of the 10th for New Jersey High School competition.
(A.S.A.) Visiting team to bat in the top of the eighth. B5 is due up, so B4 should go to second base. But the visiting team is playing under the Short-Handed Rule, and B4 is injured, and since the team has no substitutes, the fourth slot has been an automatic out for the visiting team.
What should you do?
A) Declare B4 out, and put B3 on second?
B) Declare B4 out, and the visiting team forfeits it’s opportunity to have an ITB runner?
C) In this one case, put B5 on second, and let B6 bat.
D) B5 should bat in the normal order, skip B4, with no out penalty, and put B3 on second base.
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| Nov
October 3, 2012
8:15:03 PM
Entry #: 3988708
| good one, rare occurrence to see the ITB, let alone with this twist. being out of state for work, with rulebooks in NJ, i'll take a shot. i'm going with D and here's my logic
the ITB was designed to push a run or runs across so as not to have the game extend extreme lengths due to dominating pitchers. in the spirit of competition and fair play, it doesn't seem right to declare B4 out, so i eliminate choices A & B, especially B since not giving a team a runner nearly guarantees the opponent the win. though i can see a case for A. C does not make sense since you'd be advocating batting out of order B5 is the proper batter and should bat regardless of any other circumstances.
lastly, since the rule states that the batter due up prior to the proper batter [not exact quote] should be placed on 2B, and B4 is an out due to missing batter, the actual batter prior to B5 is B3 - B4 is a slot but isn't actually a batter
feel free to tear my logic to shreds!
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| Bob M.
October 4, 2012
7:34:06 PM
Entry #: 3989147
| Since the visiting team is already playing short-handed, taking an out in the B4 slot, I think that passing B4 without taking an out to put B3 on second is tipping the scale for the visitors. Declare B4 out, just like you would in any other inning. Start with B5 at bat, one out, nobody on.
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| Ron C.
October 4, 2012
8:35:34 PM
Entry #: 3989175
| B4 is not leading off the inning, so how can you declare them out? Certainly not as "the automatic out," can you call them out. I'm with Nov: "D"...Bat B5, and put B3 on second.
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| Nov
October 4, 2012
9:29:29 PM
Entry #: 3989191
| ron, i think bob's point isn't that B4 is up to bat, but that that spot is the runner and since that player cannot come out, there's is then an out. i still believe the intent is to place a runner out there so choice A would accomplish that by taking the out & putting B3 on base. i also believe that since B5 is up, and the player batting prior to B5 is in fact B3, that choice D is the best. i'll try looking this up online.
bob, it doesn't seem correct or in the spirit of the rule to have an out & no one on base. think of it this way w/o the ITB, the visitors would be batting B5, no outs, no one on. home team would be doing the same with whatever batter they have up. when visitors get to B4 up, they take an out. giving them an out when B4 is not up is an additional penalty - they just took an out to end the prior inning [which is why B5 is due up]
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| HANK
October 11, 2012
10:29:44 AM
Entry #: 3991661
| ASA rule supplement #54 TIE BREAKER RULE.
When a team playing short handed is involved in the tie breaker and it is the shorthanded spot in the batting order that should start at second base,DO NOT CALL AN OUT. Instead place on second base the player who precedes the absent player in the line-up.
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| Bill
October 12, 2012
7:58:44 AM
Entry #: 3992039
| Correct answer is "D."
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| Perry
October 16, 2012
9:14:35 PM
Entry #: 3994483
| Thanks for the ruling, Hank! More great stuff to make you think! I love this site!
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