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June 15, 2013
10:42:02 PM
Entry #: 4066302
| Reading Bill's previous post about the Flex illegally batting reminded me of a play that was called wrong from the start a few weeks ago in my game.
With my B6 on 1B, nobody out, B8 batted into a 6-4 fielders choice. The other team correctly appealed at that time, but this is where it went bad. Instead of calling B7 out, the umpire called B8 out, and the out at 2B on the FC stood, making it a double play. When I argued the call, they brought the UIC over, and she declared that correct, and instructed the umpires to have B7, the batter who was supposed to bat originally, bat then as the penalty. I know this was wrong, but here's the part I need help with.
The rules say that had B8 reached base safely, she would be removed from the base. They also say that had she been out on the play, the out would not stand because the out for batting out of order takes precedence. I believe the rules also state that any out made on other runners stands.
So, suppose they had correctly called out B7. My question is, are you going to tell me that if B8 is thrown out at 1B, only B7 is called out, but if the defense gets the lead runner at 2B, I get that out as well as B7 being called out? Doesn't seem right that the defense gets one out if they make the play at first, and two outs if they make the play at second.
Who knows the answer for sure?
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| Bill
June 17, 2013
7:10:24 AM
Entry #: 4066489
| This play was submitted by Coach Ron.
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| Opa
June 17, 2013
9:42:10 PM
Entry #: 4066769
| What should have happened after a proper appeal is the following:
1. B7 should have been called out on the batting out of order
2. All runners are returned to original base, but in this case the out for B6 stands.
3. B8 is now the legal at batter
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| Coach_Ron
June 18, 2013
7:45:58 AM
Entry #: 4066819
| So my concern was well founded. In this instance, the defense gets one out if they make the play at first (on B7), and two outs if they make the play at second (on B7 AND the forced out B6). An odd rule, but interesting.
Thank you!
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| Perry
June 18, 2013
7:20:53 PM
Entry #: 4067074
| That's right, Coach Ron, two (2) outs on the play.
If properly appealed, all outs stand and the proper batter is always declared out.
ASA RULE 7, SECTION 2, D2.
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| Greg
July 1, 2013
8:04:58 AM
Entry #: 4070332
| I once saw a "triple play" on this scenario. The improper batter grounded into a double play. And when properly appealed, the double play stood and when the proper batter was then declared out, we had a "triple play."
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| Jimmy D.
July 2, 2013
3:04:16 PM
Entry #: 4070756
| I saw that same "triple play" in a high school game a few years back. I think it was Vernon that batted out of order against Sparta and it was appealed properly for the three outs. Small world.
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