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TOPIC: Leaving to early |
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| Neal
October 24, 2014
12:59:07 PM
Entry #: 4150214
| Runner on second base, the runner leaves to early on a caught fly ball by the right fielder. The runner is almost at third base when the coach yells at the runner to get back to second base. As the runner turns back she is obstructed by the third baseman. The runner is thrown out at second base and it is not a close play. She would not have made it back in time even if she was not obstructed. What do you have?
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| RKB
October 24, 2014
1:27:12 PM
Entry #: 4150218
| Rule supplement 36, if the runner leaves a base to early and is obstructed, but would have been out regardless of the obstruction, the out stands.
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| Perry
November 3, 2014
1:30:57 PM
Entry #: 4151370
| The runner cannot be put out between the two bases where they were obstructed. She could not have made it to third base, so put her back on second. And if she is standing on the base following the award, any appeal for having left too early would be mute.
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| Greg
November 6, 2014
12:29:11 PM
Entry #: 4151782
| Perry is correct on this one.
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| RKB
November 7, 2014
6:41:05 AM
Entry #: 4151876
| Read all of rule supplement 36. Next to last paragraph on page 129 of the 2014 rule book. The play that has been presented was taken directly from this rule supplement.
"It should also be clear the statement "a runner cannot be called out between the two bases the runner was obstructed" does not apply when a runner committed another violation and that violation is being played upon. EXAMPLE: A runner leaving second base too soon on a fly ball is returnjing after the ball is caught and is obstructed between second based and thrid base. If the runner would not have made it back to second base prior to the throw arriving, the runner remains out."
Per the original post, if in the umpires judgement the runner would not have beat the throw back to 2nd even without the obstruction, the out stands.
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| Greg
November 7, 2014
9:29:03 AM
Entry #: 4151895
| I read what you are saying, and I understand the point. But having said that, I think that the application in this instance, then becomes inconsistent with other applications of the rule.
I'm just sorry that I don't have a specific example at this moment to support my point.
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| RKB
November 7, 2014
6:35:22 PM
Entry #: 4151958
| And here it is spelled in the rules themselves.
8-5-B-1
An obstructed runner may not be called out between the two bases where obstructed.
EXCEPTIONS:
E. Leaving a base before a fly ball was first touched.
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| Greg
November 8, 2014
12:46:42 PM
Entry #: 4152015
| Yes, it would have "to be spelled out," as you say. Because I would always think an infraction would have to be interference or something blatant, to knock out the obstruction. Thanks for the clarification, RKB.
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| Neal
November 10, 2014
10:21:15 AM
Entry #: 4152175
| RKB is correct and he applied the correct rule/answer to justify.
Thanks
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