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TOPIC: Batting out of order |
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| neal
September 16, 2015
9:37:46 PM
Entry #: 4181958
| : No outs and R1 on 1st base with B2 scheduled to bat. B4 comes to bat instead and grounds into a double play. The defense appeals B4 batting out of order. RULING?
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| Perry
September 22, 2015
1:28:47 PM
Entry #: 4182568
| Triple play. If appealed before the next pitch, legal or illegal, double play stands, and the proper batter, B2, is out for batting out of order.
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| RKB
September 22, 2015
4:58:01 PM
Entry #: 4182587
| Wrong, ASA changed the rule 2-3 years ago. The incorrect batters at bat is negated, so the double play does not stand.
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| Hank
September 22, 2015
7:30:01 PM
Entry #: 4182598
| Everyone has a little of the answer. Without quoting the ASA rule. Here is the answer. Any outs made by wrong batter always stands if appealed before next pitch on next batter. So we do have a double play and two outs. As for the wrong batter also called out- answer is no. ASA took that part of the ruling away a few years ago as saying it was to harsh a penalty.
As an umpire always liked three outs.
Remember anything good that would happen by the batter is erased. Homerun, rbi etc taken off the board and runners would return if not put out.
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| RKB
September 23, 2015
9:50:57 AM
Entry #: 4182662
| ASA 7-2-2
After the incorrect batter has completed a turn at bat and before the next pitch, legal or illegal, before the pitcher and all infielders have vacated their normal fielding positions and have left fair territory or on the last play of the game before the umpires leave the field of play:
Effect:
1 The incorrect batters at bat is negated.
2 The player who should have batted is out.
3 Any advancement or score of a runner as a result of the incorrect batter is negated. Runners not called out are returned to the base occupied at the time of the pitch. Any runner called out prior to the discovery of the infraction remains out.
4 The next batter is the player whos name follows that of the player called out for failing to bat.
So, how can the double play possibly stand if the incorrect batters time at bat is negated? The force out at 2nd does in fact stand, but the out on the incorrect batter/runner at 1st does not. The player who should have batted is called out in addition to the out at 2nd, so there are 2 outs on the play, but the double play does not stand.
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| hank
September 23, 2015
11:13:43 AM
Entry #: 4182678
| In a nut shell - All play stands for defense if appealed on batter out of order. Any outs made by batter putting ball in play stands.
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| RKB
September 23, 2015
11:18:42 AM
Entry #: 4182679
| In a nutshell, not all play does not stand. Any outs made by the incorrect batter putting the ball into play stand, EXCEPT an out on the batter/runner. You cannot have an out on an at bat that did not occur.
On appeal, any other outs made stand except on the incorrect batter, and the batter who should have batted is declared out.
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| Perry
September 24, 2015
12:07:21 AM
Entry #: 4182774
| Triple play. Double play plus batting out of order.
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| RKB
September 24, 2015
9:20:22 AM
Entry #: 4182789
| Perry, that is not correct and the rule has been posted above. ASA changed the rule 2-3 years ago and now negates the incorrect batters at bat. Any outs made on the incorrect batte/ runner do not count, so no, you do not have a triple play.
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| Neal
October 14, 2015
8:37:17 AM
Entry #: 4184404
| RKB is correct and he stated the rule reference above ASA 7-2-2
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